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Fire vs Frost (PvE)

#11whiteshadow22Posted 12/9/2012 4:12:43 PM
Vonkilington posted...
BobTDonut posted...
I am picking Wind Lord for the simple fact that the reason Fire was so OP due to its ability to push out so much AoE with Combust.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-zy3a15836th6vi1o/analyze/dd/source/?s=3127&e=3549

This is right before the nerf to Combust and Critical Mass were put into place. If you notice the mage Monkeydluffy is fire on this fight and has a DPS of a little over 180k. The other mage in this comparison is Thepinkmeow, who had around 169k, also fire.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-e0f6wbhptge2nhd2/analyze/dd/source/?s=9371&e=9761

This is from this week, after said nerfs were put into place. Thepinkmeow went Arcane for this fight and ended the fight with over 190k DPS. Monkeydluffy stayed fire for this fight (his two specs were Fire and Frost) and pulled.... 136k DPS. Now, even with Fire being kind of luck base, you can't sit there and tell me that a Mage will drop an almost 45k difference in a week and say that Fire is even "just regular op", especially with the jump the other mage went going from Fire to Arcane. If anything, the damage on the 2nd week should be HIGHER because of the shorter fight, thus less time spent after the initial burst down of the mobs.

Here is another comparison, using Garalon as an example, which is mostly a single target fight minus some cleave off the legs (especially since they changed how cleave works on that fight):

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-zy3a15836th6vi1o/analyze/dd/source/?s=2335&e=2728

Monkey is at 108k DPS here, from last week before the nerfs. Thepink is sitting at 84k DPS.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-e0f6wbhptge2nhd2/analyze/dd/source/?s=8117&e=8476

This is from this week again after nerfs, and you see Thepink as Arcane doing 100k+, Now we see Monkey doing 88k as Fire, a difference of 20k DPS from the last week.

Both examples show a Mage who was near the top of the charts, and then after nerfs was sitting fairly low on the meters. And I'll tell you this right now, Monkey is an INCREDIBLE mage in our guild, and is extremely competent in his class. Those types of drops in DPS are insane, even if you consider RNG screwing into the picture, and even worse when you consider any sort of upgrades from the previous week into this one. And while Pink is not quite as good, he is still a fairly competent mage in his own right, and you will notice what kind of DPS increase was in store for him after going to Arcane this week over Fire.

Sadly I have no other logs from when he was Fire both weeks as he was mostly testing Frost, but you get the picture.

So, I'll say it again. Hey look, someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.


Best post 2012.


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#12Lightning BoltPosted 12/9/2012 4:26:49 PM
I heard the explosions from outside, is everyone alright!? No one burned too badly?!
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#13BobTDonutPosted 12/9/2012 5:30:17 PM
From: Lightning Bolt | #012
I heard the explosions from outside, is everyone alright!? No one burned too badly?!


best response of the night imo.
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#14VeliconisPosted 12/9/2012 6:02:55 PM
From: BobTDonut | #013
From: Lightning Bolt | #012
I heard the explosions from outside, is everyone alright!? No one burned too badly?!


best response of the night imo.


Agreed.
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#15scarecrowsPosted 12/9/2012 11:55:39 PM
Your own fail mages in your fail guild are not logs. Sorry. The world of logs place Fire as 6th from all specs and Arcane as 7th after nerfs. I'm sure your little ass kissing fan club there will be disappointed.
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#16BobTDonutPosted 12/10/2012 12:39:05 AM(edited)
From: scarecrows | #015
Your own fail mages in your fail guild are not logs. Sorry. The world of logs place Fire as 6th from all specs and Arcane as 7th after nerfs. I'm sure your little ass kissing fan club there will be disappointed.


Considering WoL does not delete old parses for quite awhile (and if tied to a premium member, ever), you are currently looking at old and new data together, especially since rankings were not cleared for the patch. Most top fire parses right now are still dated for before the nerf that happened last week, thus there is no way of getting an accurate sample from WoL at this point until a couple of more weeks pass.

Also, I hear being in the top 7% of all guilds is now considered fail. Damn, silly me.
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#17scarecrowsPosted 12/10/2012 8:15:21 AM
BobTDonut posted...
From: scarecrows | #015
Your own fail mages in your fail guild are not logs. Sorry. The world of logs place Fire as 6th from all specs and Arcane as 7th after nerfs. I'm sure your little ass kissing fan club there will be disappointed.


Considering WoL does not delete old parses for quite awhile (and if tied to a premium member, ever), you are currently looking at old and new data together, especially since rankings were not cleared for the patch. Most top fire parses right now are still dated for before the nerf that happened last week, thus there is no way of getting an accurate sample from WoL at this point until a couple of more weeks pass.

Also, I hear being in the top 7% of all guilds is now considered fail. Damn, silly me.


Nice backpeddling. Where's your cheerleaders? The parses are from the last two weeks, try again.
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#18Nightbird_XPosted 12/10/2012 8:17:35 AM
SeptimusNeon posted...
I am currently level 88 and doing random instances. It seems like I'm doing way more DPS with Frost than with Fire.

Is this how it works now or am I just terrible with Fire?


That's how it works. Fire is incredibly gear (Crit) dependent; Frost is great while gearing up. I think Frost and Fire are actually very close after geared now due to the Fire nerfs, but don't quote me on that.
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#19BobTDonutPosted 12/10/2012 11:00:04 AM
From: scarecrows | #017
Nice backpeddling. Where's your cheerleaders? The parses are from the last two weeks, try again.


Backpedaling? I fail to see where I backpedaled at all.
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#20scarecrowsPosted 12/10/2012 11:20:30 AM
BobTDonut posted...
From: scarecrows | #017
Nice backpeddling. Where's your cheerleaders? The parses are from the last two weeks, try again.


Backpedaling? I fail to see where I backpedaled at all.


Giving excuses = backpedaling. The most recent parses is from the last 2 weeks, after nerfs. Fire is still ahead of arcane, not by much but it is, like I originally said.
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