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The Brazilian issue is getting rather out of hand. Let's be honest here.

#121inferiorweaselPosted 1/17/2013 2:38:48 PM
_____Juan_____ posted...
From: Lightning Bolt | #005
This sure is juan xenophobic thread.


No. I have had nothing but fine experiences with people from the other latin american realms. It's just Brazil's realms. i am NOT alone in noticing this. And america isn't the only country wondering what the hell is going on. I've met mexicans, costa ricans, el salvadorans, etc.. who wonder what the hell is going on with the brazilians.


And a Canadian here. My roommate is Brazilian. He's very bad at wow. I make fun of him and his friends all the time.
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#122Patrick52WillisPosted 1/17/2013 4:55:54 PM
Am I on the League of Legends boards?
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#123steveoSEKPosted 1/17/2013 6:56:54 PM
From: Twain_Driver | #120
I'd take a Brazilian player over the know it all people that stress and treat the game like it's their job. I've been hugely turned off by WoW in the past because of the sour community. It wasn't until I started to utilize the ignore feature that I started to really enjoy my limited play time.

I suspect the encounters experienced by other people regarding Brazilians has something to do with their culture. But from what I'm reading, it's not like a lot of you are helping the situation either. You can spend your time trash talking, berating them and it's likely that they'll recognize that, and perpetuate negative perception (even if it wasn't initially intentional). I feel exerting a little patience, tolerance can go a long way. Alt tab to google/translate and try to find a way to at least do simple communication. Leadership is very attractive and it's quite possible that it can influence people to try. Pity the game doesn't have an in-game translator.

I love the idea that I can play a game that attracts people globally. A fully realized global community has a lot to offer.



honestly, they could be as bad as they wanted if they were dps. but they always seem to be the tanks and healers. tanks more than anything though. it makes things hell for everyone.


HOWEVER, the bad players are generally confined to the pre level 70 dungeons. the higher you go the less frquent they are.

the lower you are, the more likely all you'll play with is brazlians
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#124AJKirchner88Posted 1/17/2013 8:14:52 PM
This is kinda weird to be honest.

Been playing Tera (lets not start anything) and today there were two Brazilians who were having a conversation in Global chat in Portuguese. People asked them nicely (at first) to take their private chat to private channels, since it was a breaking up the English conversations between lots of people (English servers). Turns out they did speak English and refused, just to be asses. Didn't seem odd, trolls are everywhere, but to now see this thread its a little strange. Weird coincidence?
#125karnage87Posted 1/17/2013 8:38:31 PM
pikpikcarrotmon posted...
If I've said it once, I've said it a brazilian times. South America should be its own region. They have their own cultures and languages, and it's a mistake to throw them in the same pot with North America.


Only just discovered this topic and jumped on a few pages.

Saw that and thought...really? Guess it is because I am European...or a decent human being...probably both.

The only genuine reason I could see a geographical region having its own realm is because of significant differences, not in language, but in Script.- Russia and Greece spring to mind off the top of my head in terms of justifying separation from the rest.

I am nowhere near qualified enough to make the same judgement for east Asia but I can imagine there being differences I can not perceive. Hate being so clueless on that and apologies if I offend anyone in this regard.

But honestly - There are not that many more people in the Americas than in Europe - 100 Million ish? I doubt its more than a 25% increase on it. Of that number English is probably not the premier language of either. Cope.
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#126SternblumePosted 1/17/2013 9:38:13 PM
I'm Brazilian. Fun facts:

- About Brazilians being "bad" (such overused and childish denomination) at WoW:

US players play WoW since November 2004.
95% of Brazilian players play WoW since December 2011.

I'm not sure, but I think if I had 7 years of exposure and training to any kind of game, I'd be much better than someone that just started. And that's not even counting other MMO's that came before WoW that Brazilian players don't even know that existed. Also, calling brazilians "bad" is a gross generalization, there are many competent brazilian players and guilds, both in pvp and pve. If you want me to link a few armories, just ask.

- About Brazilians being rude:

There are polite and rude people everywhere. US players just notice rude Brazilians more because they are from another country (thus easier to point fingers and blame as a group). This in turn makes Brazilian players even more defensive when grouping with people from other regions, so things just get worse and worse over time. And as gamefaqs always proudly displays, US have way more trolls (in-game, using forums, etc) than... Just about the whole rest of the world together.

- About brazilian players not speaking english:

I concede that point. How come anyone in this day and age can't speak english? Funny thing is, yesterday I was in a 5 man heroic random when a Brazilian healer asked, in a very rudimentary english, for the hunter to step out of fire. The US players, instead of encouraging his attempt, correcting him or even just ignoring him, decided to gift him with "ROFL SHUT UP BRAZILIAN MONKEY". Way to go.

tl;dr:
- Brazilian players' performance is worse because they have 7 less years of WoW;
- Every country has its shares of rude people;
- Brazilian players should L2english. US players should L2be patient and polite to those that try.
#127steveoSEKPosted 1/17/2013 9:38:14 PM
From: karnage87 | #125
pikpikcarrotmon posted...
If I've said it once, I've said it a brazilian times. South America should be its own region. They have their own cultures and languages, and it's a mistake to throw them in the same pot with North America.


Only just discovered this topic and jumped on a few pages.

Saw that and thought...really? Guess it is because I am European...or a decent human being...probably both.

The only genuine reason I could see a geographical region having its own realm is because of significant differences, not in language, but in Script.- Russia and Greece spring to mind off the top of my head in terms of justifying separation from the rest.

I am nowhere near qualified enough to make the same judgement for east Asia but I can imagine there being differences I can not perceive. Hate being so clueless on that and apologies if I offend anyone in this regard.

But honestly - There are not that many more people in the Americas than in Europe - 100 Million ish? I doubt its more than a 25% increase on it. Of that number English is probably not the premier language of either. Cope.



population of north america circa 2008:
528,720,588

population of south america circa 2011:
387,489,196

total population of americas:
916,209,784

population of europe circa 2011:
739,165,030

population difference:
177,044,754 more people in the americas than europe

that's a LOT of people.
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#128steveoSEKPosted 1/17/2013 9:39:53 PM
From: Sternblume | #126
I'm Brazilian. Fun facts:

- About Brazilians being "bad" (such overused and childish denomination) at WoW:

US players play WoW since November 2004.
95% of Brazilian players play WoW since December 2011.

I'm not sure, but I think if I had 7 years of exposure and training to any kind of game, I'd be much better than someone that just started. And that's not even counting other MMO's that came before WoW that Brazilian players don't even know that existed. Also, calling brazilians "bad" is a gross generalization, there are many competent brazilian players and guilds, both in pvp and pve. If you want me to link a few armories, just ask.

- About Brazilians being rude:

There are polite and rude people everywhere. US players just notice rude Brazilians more because they are from another country (thus easier to point fingers and blame as a group). This in turn makes Brazilian players even more defensive when grouping with people from other regions, so things just get worse and worse over time. And as gamefaqs always proudly displays, US have way more trolls (in-game, using forums, etc) than... Just about the whole rest of the world together.

- About brazilian players not speaking english:

I concede that point. How come anyone in this day and age can't speak english? Funny thing is, yesterday I was in a 5 man heroic random when a Brazilian healer asked, in a very rudimentary english, for the hunter to step out of fire. The US players, instead of encouraging his attempt, correcting him or even just ignoring him, decided to gift him with "ROFL SHUT UP BRAZILIAN MONKEY". Way to go.

tl;dr:
- Brazilian players' performance is worse because they have 7 less years of WoW;
- Every country has its shares of rude people;
- Brazilian players should L2english. US players should L2be patient and polite to those that try.



i've met competent brazilian players before. it's a case of the bad apples ruining it for the whole bunch combined with a cultural issue and a language barrier. it's bad news.
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#129SternblumePosted 1/17/2013 9:56:13 PM
I agree with you, Steve, I just think you're just making it worse than it actually is. Also, I believe that it's just a matter of time for Brazilians to perform better as a whole. Although I play since early BC, there are quite a few newbies (4-7 months of WoW) in my guild, and they are just starting to really learn the ropes. Not 25 man heroic material yet, mind you, but decent enough.

I think the only real problem is the language barrier, which most people here are too lazy to learn properly. =/
#130steveoSEKPosted 1/17/2013 10:09:36 PM
From: Sternblume | #129
I agree with you, Steve, I just think you're just making it worse than it actually is. Also, I believe that it's just a matter of time for Brazilians to perform better as a whole. Although I play since early BC, there are quite a few newbies (4-7 months of WoW) in my guild, and they are just starting to really learn the ropes. Not 25 man heroic material yet, mind you, but decent enough.

I think the only real problem is the language barrier, which most people here are too lazy to learn properly. =/



just look at the servers of the other americas. the spanish speakers. you get them a lot in groups, do you notice them? nope. they play fine and keep quiet because they're doing well so theres no reason to communicate.

honestly, it seems like the good players in brazil are mad at the bad ones for making things so frustrating. maybe the good players can make some sort of portugese language forums to give advice on how to play properly or something? it can't hurt.
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