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in 5.2, is frost still dominant, or is unholy better now or what?>

#1steveoSEKPosted 2/24/2013 4:36:31 PM
curious,.
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#2Glockass1Posted 2/24/2013 4:37:23 PM
They are so close. It doesn't really matter.
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#3You__Know__WhoPosted 2/24/2013 4:38:24 PM
Frost was a lot better in 5.1, and both are getting buffed, so Frost is likely to still be better.
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#4steveoSEK(Topic Creator)Posted 2/24/2013 4:47:17 PM
From: You__Know__Who | #003
Frost was a lot better in 5.1, and both are getting buffed, so Frost is likely to still be better.



hmm. i like my dual wielding frost but i miss having the always out ghoul.
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#5You__Know__WhoPosted 2/24/2013 4:52:32 PM
It doesn't matter which is better though, I hate how people do that. Play what you like. I love Frost and wouldn't change if they were bottom DPS and UH was top DPS. DW Frost for live.
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#6DawnshadowPosted 2/24/2013 5:20:26 PM
You__Know__Who posted...
Frost was a lot better in 5.1, and both are getting buffed, so Frost is likely to still be better.


Unholy wasn't /that/ far behind to begin with in sims [1]. It also got a few QoL improvements and a slightly better buff. Frost's buff is to make up for the nerf to the tier 14 set bonus so DKs don't suddenly lose DPS when the patch hits. Tier 14 2-piece in live is so good that it was better to keep it than to upgrade to tier 15.

So, yes, death knights are also getting a nerf, it's just not an obvious one-- IIRC, their set bonus goes from +10% damage on their primary strikes to +2%.

[1]-- Unholy is far behind in raid parses, but there's a reason for that. The best players will almost always go with the spec that sims the best, even if the DPS difference is only, say, 3-5% (which is pretty close tuning for anything but hardcore progression raiding.) Because all the best players play the optimal spec, the only people who play the sub-optimal spec are clueless or goofing around, so it shows up on raid parses as lower than it 'should' be in theory. This is true for any class with more than one directly competing DPS spec.
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#7You__Know__WhoPosted 2/24/2013 6:28:00 PM
It goes from 10% to 4%.
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#8HakPosted 2/25/2013 2:37:17 AM
Dawnshadow posted...
You__Know__Who posted...
Frost was a lot better in 5.1, and both are getting buffed, so Frost is likely to still be better.


Unholy wasn't /that/ far behind to begin with in sims [1]. It also got a few QoL improvements and a slightly better buff. Frost's buff is to make up for the nerf to the tier 14 set bonus so DKs don't suddenly lose DPS when the patch hits. Tier 14 2-piece in live is so good that it was better to keep it than to upgrade to tier 15.

So, yes, death knights are also getting a nerf, it's just not an obvious one-- IIRC, their set bonus goes from +10% damage on their primary strikes to +2%.

[1]-- Unholy is far behind in raid parses, but there's a reason for that. The best players will almost always go with the spec that sims the best, even if the DPS difference is only, say, 3-5% (which is pretty close tuning for anything but hardcore progression raiding.) Because all the best players play the optimal spec, the only people who play the sub-optimal spec are clueless or goofing around, so it shows up on raid parses as lower than it 'should' be in theory. This is true for any class with more than one directly competing DPS spec.


Not quite. Most raid bosses these days have adds phases. As soon as there's more than one target, DW Frost will outstrip Unholy due to Howling Blast. Your argument isn't entirely without merit, I admit, but DW Frost is the AoE king (less so 2H due to their reliance on Obliterates though).
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#9You__Know__WhoPosted 2/25/2013 4:58:41 AM
Howling Blast spam is the best thing ever.
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#10Lightning BoltPosted 2/25/2013 5:29:11 AM
They're getting tweaked all the time. No one really knows atm how it's going down, just wait until everything's final.

You__Know__Who posted...
Howling Blast spam is the best thing ever.


The two button spec is so boring. I only rock it as my OS because I cba practicing a real dps spec, I just want a functional OS for the times I need it.
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