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Worried about the Legendary Cloaks

#1WaffIeElitePosted 7/17/2013 1:13:05 PM
Not sure if anyone else has thought about this, or been around since TBC to have this sort of concern over the legendary cloaks that are going to be available soon. They're going to be opening up a pretty big dilemma of recruiting for raid guilds, far worse than TBC's attunements (Which I think were fine, but that's another argument).

Every legendary in the past had some degree or luck or skill to obtaining it. Varying degrees of each, but limiting factors to keep them from going out of control. Now with the Legendary being accessible by everybody, it's going to be a standard. Heroic content will be tuned for having a full guild with cloaks.

But of course, hardcore raiders already are waiting on quest chains now, that's not the issue here. The dedicated players who are 10/13 heroic ToT or better are all set with no problems. The issue is going to come with recruiting. How many guilds do you suspect are going to have "No Legendary, no thanks" posted on their recruitment forums? Every damn guild that can progress anywhere meaningful.

Players who slacked on their cloaks are going to make a bigger rift in recruiting than we've seen so far in MoP. Recruiting in WoW has traditionally been growing more difficult with each passing expansion, as Blizzard has allowed less skilled players to be awarded gear, causing two problems. #1 being harder to tell who is actually up to par, requiring apps to upload parses, sift through achievements and of course, trial runs. #2 being fewer players bothering to apply to guilds, starving raid guilds of quality players to progress.

Blizzard (Hopefully) isn't going to trivialize the heroic content to be reasonably doable without the cloaks, but if they don't, there's going to be a huge amount of players who are too far behind on the legendary to possibly fill recruitment holes in guilds.

TLDR: Casuals shouldn't get legendaries. Bad things happen.
#2scarecrowsPosted 7/17/2013 1:26:48 PM
You can get the legendary without ever setting foot in a real raid. If an LFR hero can get one and you don't have one, honestly you don't deserve to be in the raid core. I don't see a problem here.
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#3GreatDrakePosted 7/17/2013 2:16:01 PM
Most likely by the time even the ones who already have the base cloak have the legendary version their guild won't need the cloak except for players who are very lucky because so far every single patch it has taken weeks to get through their section because of the raid drops.
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#4KokeiiPosted 7/17/2013 2:43:38 PM
WaffIeElite posted...
Not sure if anyone else has thought about this, or been around since TBC to have this sort of concern over the legendary cloaks that are going to be available soon. They're going to be opening up a pretty big dilemma of recruiting for raid guilds, far worse than TBC's attunements (Which I think were fine, but that's another argument).

Every legendary in the past had some degree or luck or skill to obtaining it. Varying degrees of each, but limiting factors to keep them from going out of control. Now with the Legendary being accessible by everybody, it's going to be a standard. Heroic content will be tuned for having a full guild with cloaks.

But of course, hardcore raiders already are waiting on quest chains now, that's not the issue here. The dedicated players who are 10/13 heroic ToT or better are all set with no problems. The issue is going to come with recruiting. How many guilds do you suspect are going to have "No Legendary, no thanks" posted on their recruitment forums? Every damn guild that can progress anywhere meaningful.

Players who slacked on their cloaks are going to make a bigger rift in recruiting than we've seen so far in MoP. Recruiting in WoW has traditionally been growing more difficult with each passing expansion, as Blizzard has allowed less skilled players to be awarded gear, causing two problems. #1 being harder to tell who is actually up to par, requiring apps to upload parses, sift through achievements and of course, trial runs. #2 being fewer players bothering to apply to guilds, starving raid guilds of quality players to progress.

Blizzard (Hopefully) isn't going to trivialize the heroic content to be reasonably doable without the cloaks, but if they don't, there's going to be a huge amount of players who are too far behind on the legendary to possibly fill recruitment holes in guilds.

TLDR: Casuals shouldn't get legendaries. Bad things happen.



I'm confused. Your TLDR seems to fit with what many players complain about in regards to the cloak (they're not legendary if everyone has one, I want to be a unique snowflake, etc etc), but the body of your post seems to suggest that you think cloaks should be easier/faster to get so that people don't automatically get denied from raiding guilds.
#5WaffIeElite(Topic Creator)Posted 7/17/2013 3:06:14 PM
Actually my point is that the cloaks shouldn't be achievable from LFR, and especially not raid-wide. That is going to force Blizzard to tune the content for having said cloak. But the problem comes when trying to fill out raid slots with people who haven't bothered getting their cloak quests past the initial stages, and there's a lot of people like that.

Recruiting has gotten so bad since LFR :(
#6That_70s_showPosted 7/17/2013 3:26:22 PM
scarecrows posted...
You can get the legendary without ever setting foot in a real raid. If an LFR hero can get one and you don't have one, honestly you don't deserve to be in the raid core. I don't see a problem here.


And what if someone took a break from WoW, and due to that they don't have time to get all the quests done?

Or what if someone has alts they want to progress on?
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#7ryanell666Posted 7/17/2013 3:33:52 PM
WaffIeElite posted...
Actually my point is that the cloaks shouldn't be achievable from LFR, and especially not raid-wide. That is going to force Blizzard to tune the content for having said cloak. But the problem comes when trying to fill out raid slots with people who haven't bothered getting their cloak quests past the initial stages, and there's a lot of people like that.

Recruiting has gotten so bad since LFR :(


Yeah, I agree.

But this topic leads to damnation,...if every paying subscriber cant have quick and immedaite access to it, it's not allowed to be in the game.

To speak out against that idea threatens the casu-baddies need to become "special snowflakes" without effort.

I agree with you, but it's hopeless to argue about this to "save WoW".

Do what I do, argue it on the premise that if any future MMORPG that want to emulate WoW's success, say out loud that this isn't the way to do things.
#8scarecrowsPosted 7/17/2013 3:58:35 PM
That_70s_show posted...
scarecrows posted...
You can get the legendary without ever setting foot in a real raid. If an LFR hero can get one and you don't have one, honestly you don't deserve to be in the raid core. I don't see a problem here.


And what if someone took a break from WoW, and due to that they don't have time to get all the quests done?

Or what if someone has alts they want to progress on?


So you feel that you can quit, and not continue to put the work in everyone else does and you should get the same raid spot? Really? You should be picked over someone who didn't quit and took the time to do all that tedious crap? No cloak, no raid. It's beautiful in its simplicity.
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#9That_70s_showPosted 7/17/2013 6:26:49 PM
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#10lunchbox2042Posted 7/18/2013 9:19:06 AM
scarecrows posted...
That_70s_show posted...
scarecrows posted...
You can get the legendary without ever setting foot in a real raid. If an LFR hero can get one and you don't have one, honestly you don't deserve to be in the raid core. I don't see a problem here.


And what if someone took a break from WoW, and due to that they don't have time to get all the quests done?

Or what if someone has alts they want to progress on?


So you feel that you can quit, and not continue to put the work in everyone else does and you should get the same raid spot? Really? You should be picked over someone who didn't quit and took the time to do all that tedious crap? No cloak, no raid. It's beautiful in its simplicity.


So you would take a mouthbreather who dies every pull because he got a cloak in lfr over a skilled player who took a break due to real life circumstances?