Dualizing Guide - Plus Other Useful Resources

#61CobraGTPosted 7/29/2012 10:31:40 PMmessage detail
All right that was a dumb question but I just was not getting Pointless. So I started a topic and got a recipe. Just now I made a Pointless gem by chance.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/604158-tales-of-graces-f/63553788
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#62CobraGTPosted 7/30/2012 10:12:01 AMmessage detail
The number of effects on a weapon seems to be a factor in the Rank 6 produced and not just the sum of the levels of the effects. So Long Sword with Attack 2 is not the same as Long Sword with Attack 1 / Mind 1. (Well, I think anyhow).

I got deficient and I repeated the dualizations with higher level shards and I still got Deficient. The way that I understood the formula was that if weapon A, and weapon B with effect levels summing to N made a Deficient gem, then weapon A and weapon B with effect levels summing to N+4 would make a Pointless gem. It does not. So maybe I misunderstood the formula or maybe the formula needs to be refined.


Meantime, I am happy. Now I have 2 ways of creating Pointless (for Garrtastic) and I will be able to make as many as I want. I hesitate to say Garrtastic is great for Sophie because saying this reveals how bad I am. Well, no point lying to people who know you well.
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#63CobraGTPosted 8/29/2012 5:31:32 PMmessage detail
When you dualize 2 gems and the result is a Rank 6 quality then maybe the gems remember their scores from the weapons that they came off?
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#64CobraGTPosted 9/18/2012 9:21:22 PMmessage detail
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#66CobraGTPosted 9/22/2012 3:01:03 PMmessage detail(edited)
#1
There is a dualization rule which can work for you as well as against you. The rule works off the bond between the basic effects from Attack to Reinforce and the qualities from Keen to Epochal. You have a weapon with one effect and an eligibility for a second effect. Refer to the table in faq for the relationships. Reinforce and Epochal have a boost bond and Burn and Stuffy have a boost bond.

<weapon> effect A associated with Quality Z ...//... shard(effect B) having quality Z ...-->... <weapon> effect A / effect B quality Z

examples
Epochal and Reinforce are paired
Durandal Reinforce 1 / ..., quality Noble ...//... shard(Blessing 6, Epochal) ...-->... Durandal Reinforce 1/ Blessing 6, quality Epochal

Burn and Stuffy are paired
Durandal Burn 5 / ..., quality Frosty ...//... shard(Tension 4, quality Stuffy) ...-->... Durandal Burn 5/ Tension 4, quality Stuffy


#2
Another formula for making Pointless gems (useful for Garrtastic):

Laevatein and Sevenstar Dualblade. (Any of the sphere weapons should interchange with the Sevenstar Dualblade). So a Laevatein + a sphere weapon such that the result is rank 6 and the levels of the effects sum to 16. For dualizing Pointless gems Dragontooth and Diabolic Slicers interchange with Laevantein and Sevenstar Dualblade - as one would expect.

For Dragontooth and Diabolic Slicers I tested where the sum of the levels for the effects was 4, 12, 16, 17, 18, 24 and the gem output had Pointless quality. I also tested that the number of effects on the weapon is not a factor.
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#67drag0neerPosted 10/6/2012 5:22:55 PMmessage detail
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#68drag0neerPosted 10/7/2012 9:08:14 AMmessage detail
Hey, uh, a minor question; dualising a Rapt quality shard with Cute quality equipment is meant to make it Olden, right? I'm trying to get an Olden Middy Blouse for the Amarcian Enclave inn request and I have a Rapt shard... only it doesn't affect the blouse's quality at all. Dualising the two just gives me a Middy Blouse +1 that retains its Cute quality and I cannot fathom why. Any ideas?

And, just to be doubly sure, I even went and made a second Middy Blouse. Same issue occurs there, so I'm at a complete loss. I ended up using a different quality that did work but it struck me as odd.

Also:

To summarize, here are the upgrading steps you need to do:
1) Obtain your Epochal Dreamerís Flange as described above.
2) Dualize with any Stuffy Shard to get it to +1 Stuffy. Temper and extract the ability.
3) Dualize with any Wicked shard to get it to +2 Magical. Temper and extract.
4) Dualize with any Gallant shard to get it to +3 Poignant. Temper and sell


I followed this verbatim, to try and get into the 10th floor of the Zhonecage which needs a value of 200,000 insofar as I'm aware, and after doing so I still couldn't so I went to see how much it sells for. It doesn't give anywhere near the 200,000 the OP says it will but rather only 129,382. I have no idea why that's happened either.
#69CobraGTPosted 10/7/2012 9:06:59 PMmessage detail
Temper, strip and try again. With an effect other than Mind. There are secondary rules for dualizing that make for exceptions.
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#70Crimson681Posted 12/7/2012 3:18:30 AMmessage detail
Can you get 2 dual abilities on 1 gem? Like Valiant + Sorcerer?

Any known easy methods of getting some of the dual qualities?