About Comstock *Ending Spoilers*

#11WillMannPosted 3/31/2013 12:39:48 PM
Comstock wasn't truly racist. This was explained through several voxophones, particularly one from the beginning by Fink which said (paraphrasing): "I got some more workers from a prison. Mostly black folks. Tell yourself whatever you want to ease your conscience."

Then another one later by Comstock himself, asking whether it was cruel to treat other nationalities less than white folks. He admits it is, but the greater injustice would be to deny these people the "eden" of Columbia.

In the end, Comstock needed the financial backing from Fink in order to build and maintain Columbia, and he went along with his prejudices in order to fulfill his mission.
#12RedRaven80Posted 3/31/2013 12:42:48 PM
look at the time period. about 90% of whites were racist back then.
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#13flipmode_1Posted 3/31/2013 4:57:34 PM
WillMann posted...
Comstock wasn't truly racist. This was explained through several voxophones, particularly one from the beginning by Fink which said (paraphrasing): "I got some more workers from a prison. Mostly black folks. Tell yourself whatever you want to ease your conscience."

Then another one later by Comstock himself, asking whether it was cruel to treat other nationalities less than white folks. He admits it is, but the greater injustice would be to deny these people the "eden" of Columbia.

In the end, Comstock needed the financial backing from Fink in order to build and maintain Columbia, and he went along with his prejudices in order to fulfill his mission.


Yeah, but there's also a Comstock voxophone that says something along the lines of "A dog is loyal if you feed him. A dog is loyal if you hit him. Only when a black person is loyal after both will he get his rightful spot in society" or something like that.
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#14ShytheSepthKangPosted 3/31/2013 5:17:36 PM
I always thought it had to do with what baptism meant for him.
The Booker who rejected it learned to live with his guilt and his sins...you could say it made him a better man, even if he ruined himself.

Comstock instead never had to really face his sins, his guilt. He got the easy way out and he justified everything with his new faith and his new persona.

And then there's the reason why he thought to get baptized. It was after Wounded Knee.
By not facing his sins and by being "reborn", I guess Comstock rationalized the massacre as a just thing and from there it was slippery slope to extremism.

Of course, there was also the influence of his times, but Booker isn't racist after all.
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#15idrawrobotstoo(Topic Creator)Posted 3/31/2013 5:24:55 PM
ShytheSepthKang posted...
I always thought it had to do with what baptism meant for him.
The Booker who rejected it learned to live with his guilt and his sins...you could say it made him a better man, even if he ruined himself.

Comstock instead never had to really face his sins, his guilt. He got the easy way out and he justified everything with his new faith and his new persona.

And then there's the reason why he thought to get baptized. It was after Wounded Knee.
By not facing his sins and by being "reborn", I guess Comstock rationalized the massacre as a just thing and from there it was slippery slope to extremism.

Of course, there was also the influence of his times, but Booker isn't racist after all.

If that is the case then either Booker or Ken Lavine doesn't really understand what baptism is about.
#16SinfullyvannilaPosted 3/31/2013 9:00:30 PM
idrawrobotstoo posted...
ShytheSepthKang posted...
I always thought it had to do with what baptism meant for him.
The Booker who rejected it learned to live with his guilt and his sins...you could say it made him a better man, even if he ruined himself.

Comstock instead never had to really face his sins, his guilt. He got the easy way out and he justified everything with his new faith and his new persona.

And then there's the reason why he thought to get baptized. It was after Wounded Knee.
By not facing his sins and by being "reborn", I guess Comstock rationalized the massacre as a just thing and from there it was slippery slope to extremism.

Of course, there was also the influence of his times, but Booker isn't racist after all.

If that is the case then either Booker or Ken Lavine doesn't really understand what baptism is about.

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#17TyranorealPosted 3/31/2013 9:25:45 PM
From: idrawrobotstoo | #015
ShytheSepthKang posted...
I always thought it had to do with what baptism meant for him.
The Booker who rejected it learned to live with his guilt and his sins...you could say it made him a better man, even if he ruined himself.

Comstock instead never had to really face his sins, his guilt. He got the easy way out and he justified everything with his new faith and his new persona.

And then there's the reason why he thought to get baptized. It was after Wounded Knee.
By not facing his sins and by being "reborn", I guess Comstock rationalized the massacre as a just thing and from there it was slippery slope to extremism.

Of course, there was also the influence of his times, but Booker isn't racist after all.

If that is the case then either Booker or Ken Lavine doesn't really understand what baptism is about.


Some people do use religion as an excuse for guilt or hatred (see: Crusades, White man's Burden, etc.) It allows for extremism. I am Catholic myself, but I do see the idea.
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#18hornsofhattinPosted 3/31/2013 9:50:51 PM
I'm not really so sure trying to "rationalize" Comstock would be a good idea. I mean, would it really make any sense or even be a good idea (and this will sound politically correct but you guys I think know who that sort can be) to make it seem that there is a rational explanation as to why he is a racist/bigot? I don't think it would either work or help.
#19Frost_LASERPosted 3/31/2013 10:04:18 PM(edited)
ShytheSepthKang posted...
I always thought it had to do with what baptism meant for him.
The Booker who rejected it learned to live with his guilt and his sins...you could say it made him a better man, even if he ruined himself.

Comstock instead never had to really face his sins, his guilt. He got the easy way out and he justified everything with his new faith and his new persona.

And then there's the reason why he thought to get baptized. It was after Wounded Knee.
By not facing his sins and by being "reborn", I guess Comstock rationalized the massacre as a just thing and from there it was slippery slope to extremism.

Of course, there was also the influence of his times, but Booker isn't racist after all.


I think this is part of it. He didn't really care to learn from the tragedy and horrors he committed at wounded knee on the path to become Comstock; he only did it to ease his mind.

Then Comstock is visited by the supposed "arc angel", it looks like god is on his side, therefore he believes his actions are the proper ones (reinforced by the angel visit). I also recall a voxophone from lady Comstock saying how she has to forgive him for his atrocious actions because he forgave her or something similar, but she sounds absolutely horrified of what he's done. At that point I doubt he believes he can do any wrong.
#20SinfullyvannilaPosted 4/1/2013 7:58:52 AM
Tyranoreal posted...
From: idrawrobotstoo | #015
ShytheSepthKang posted...
I always thought it had to do with what baptism meant for him.
The Booker who rejected it learned to live with his guilt and his sins...you could say it made him a better man, even if he ruined himself.

Comstock instead never had to really face his sins, his guilt. He got the easy way out and he justified everything with his new faith and his new persona.

And then there's the reason why he thought to get baptized. It was after Wounded Knee.
By not facing his sins and by being "reborn", I guess Comstock rationalized the massacre as a just thing and from there it was slippery slope to extremism.

Of course, there was also the influence of his times, but Booker isn't racist after all.

If that is the case then either Booker or Ken Lavine doesn't really understand what baptism is about.


Some people do use religion as an excuse for guilt or hatred (see: Crusades, White man's Burden, etc.) It allows for extremism. I am Catholic myself, but I do see the idea.


And if they feel that way, they don't understand what Baptism is about.
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