Buying weapons at the AH with Astral Diamonds... not Pay to Win?
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I really don't see how this game is p2w since there's no overpowered gear, you all get the same, sure diamonds can take awhile to farm but in the long run you can still get what people bought with real money it just take's time
More or less.
Also, i get really lucky I guess because i am level 25 and have 375k astral diamonds just from selling stuff I've found and doing daily dungeons/skirmishes, which I do anyway to grind new companions closer to where they need to be to not be murdered when im soloing.
I've also spent some. I spent 40k on the permanent basic horse, as well as like 80k for two other companions.
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R0N1N187 posted...How is that not Pay to Win again?
Actually, you are completely wrong. If you can buy the gear/weapons/etc with real money, it IS pay to win. Just because non-payers can also acquire it doesn't mean its not pay to win.
No such thing as pay to win. Just go grind 10k times longer than anyone else to get the same thing.
For me, P2W means someone can buy gear that can't be found any place in-game and throws off the balance of PvE or PvP. I play Neverwinter, and I don't think the system is P2W. I can get the same gear as anyone else if I put in the time to quest. If anything, this game is pay for convenience. If you don't want to quest, you can spend money/zen/astral diamonds in the leadership profession and have a level 60 in about 20-24 hours.....buy why? That seems to defeat the purpose of a game where you're supposed to be involved in a story arc, go see these areas that were built by programmers, fight bosses, find gear, etc. That's just my thoughts on the P2W subject though.
Sadly it IS pay to win, simply for this fact. Quoted from a reddit thread about their f2p model...
Players are given the option to add additional stats/effects to their equipment in Neverwinter. These come in the forms of Runestones (pets) and Enchantments (Armor/Weapon). For pets, the Runestones are split into Offense and Defense. For Enchantments, they are split into Offense, Utility, and Defense. A single Runestone/Enchantment provides different bonuses depending on which slot there are equipped to. These also have ranks and start from 1 and ends at 9. Four of the same kind may also fuse to move up a tier. The chance of success starts at 95% at rank 1 and 10% at rank 8. You will lose a single Runestone/Enchantment upon failure.
EDIT: Here is the reddit thread link for anyone else interested. http://www.reddit.com/r/Neverwinter/comments/1dry0g/neverwinters_f2p_model_what_you_need_to_know/
EDIT 2: Meant to say it ISN'T pay to win, since yeah I guess a non-paying player could get all the very rare shards needed to get 1 high level enchantment... Not gonna happen. Kinda disappointing.
What were the devs. going to sell to make money for this F2P game?! Stop your whining. "it's pay 2 win. Boo hoo waaah. Now that other guy has slightly better/prettier stuff than me!!!"
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I thought pay to win was if you had no other choice BUT to buy an item to stay competitive with other players......
Pay for convenience is more like it. Get that item now, or wait a few weeks and get it later with some work.
You know how it is...Cows go "moo", Dogs go "woof" and MMO Players go "the pvp is unbalanced"
It seems enchantments are the main selling profits for the company since they do count in PvP.
As far as wards are concerned, they drop in lockboxes on occasion. I have three of the best ones. Here's how it works: it takes about two days of AD to get a key from the zen store. Buy nothing but keys and use them on your best lockboxes to get wards. Save the wards for your endgame gear. No money spent.
Or you can shell out $10/month for keys and support the game. With ten boxes you'll either get enough wards to get you by easily OR you'll get crap you can sell on the AH for stuff you want to buy with AD.
You don't have to pay 100+ bucks for top tier gear. People who do that are stupid.
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From: Darth_Dragon | #006R0N1N187 posted...How is that not Pay to Win again?
I think you glossed over the most important bit there buddy.
and you can make WAY more AS than that in a day, because selling drops does in fact exist. and yeah you mentioned it, but then disregarded it completely in your "calculations"
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