First build, pls help me make it not suck!

#1xSighxPosted 8/17/2013 3:31:44 PM
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this is full 120 point build, obviously not realistic but from a hypothetical standpoint this is where i would end up with full SP. not sure if this is perfectly min/maxed, or if i'm missing anything or if any nodes aren't really worth the point, would love your feedback!

So this is the Cyclone+Double Strike build I asked about a while back. Currently level 72 and having the most fun I've ever had with this game. Merciless enemies melt like butter, easy maps are very easy, but...harder maps are...hard. -max elemental resist is problematic with only 3k life pool (hey i don't have a ton of wealth to get Kaom's, most ive ever gotten from a trade was 5 gcp and it happened last night after months of playing...)

just looking for feedback on the skill build, one of my biggest considerations at the moment is removing '2h' talents and only getting 'sword' talents, that way i can use 1h + shield on swap and still get damage bonuses, especially on harder maps that punish my max resists or against hard hitting physical bosses the block would be awesome.

thanks in advance, hope to get some ideas on how to streamline my build and get the most out of each node :)
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#2Ryyaann_Is_BandPosted 8/17/2013 10:15:26 PM
First off, I wouldn't recommend a full 120 Point build. Not only because of "You physically won't reach that many because IIRC, that means killing all of the bandits for all 3 difficulties" , but also for the "unrealistic view of the build, considering you have more life/damage than you would actually have".

Typical linked build are 90 to 100ish points because that signifies around level 70 to 80, where your leveling slows down tremendously so each point from there on is extremely important not only in how you spend it but your current "path" so far. You don't want to wait until your level 100th point to finally spec the most important node in your build, you know what I mean?

After level 80 though, your gear, passive node build, skill gem level and linkage really starts to really show. Maps are a form of testing how good your overall build is.

Need to ask some preliminary questions:
1) What armour type are you maining? Pure Armour? Hybrid Armour/Evasion?
2) What type of weapon? 2H Sword?
3) What Auras are you running?
4) Are you planning to stick with 2Hers forever? I noticed you have both 2Hers and 1Hers nodes specced.

Didn't really want to critique passive build yet, since its a full 120 points.

I didn't notice a pathing improvement over here
http://i.imgur.com/YqwX5t8.png

Would not only save you 1 skill point but it would also help if you were overcapped for Fire Res.
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#3Ryyaann_Is_BandPosted 8/18/2013 1:12:44 AM
I don't even know why there is a timer on the Edit function in the first place, but I meant to say:



I did notice a pathing improvement over here
http://i.imgur.com/YqwX5t8.png
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#4xSighx(Topic Creator)Posted 8/19/2013 11:25:34 PM
1) What armour type are you maining? Pure Armour? Hybrid Armour/Evasion?
my physical mitigation is pretty bad so i have been shooting for pure Armor gear which get buffed up by armor nodes more so than hybrid arm/eva
i might drop the armor nodes for Leather & Steel, not sure yet

2) What type of weapon? 2H Sword?
that was the original idea, more of a thematic thing than an optimised thing, considering doing 1h/shield actually so i can solo maps. but if i went 1h/shield i would also drop blood magic so i could use Purity/Determination and be hyper tanky. and im sure the build would look very different, i would probably want to go only 'one handed' offense nodes that were already en route to key nodes, so that i could have more flexibility with 1hers (soul taker would be ideal in a mana based build but that's too rich for me)

3) What Auras are you running?
grace with reduced mana, that's it. im not specced for elemental damage at all so i don't feel like it's worth gaining 200 dps from anger/wrath at the cost of 300ish Life.

4) Are you planning to stick with 2Hers forever? I noticed you have both 2Hers and 1Hers nodes specced.

i can always use regrets to go 1h or whatever, 2h was just the way i chose to level. that 1h node was an accident, i thought it was a 2h node. i've already removed it! oh and i caught that i could spend a point in +10 strength and take 2 points out of fire resist, that was the sort of rookie mistake i was looking for help with, but i ended up noticing it myself XD

still i dont believe the build is truly optimal yet, i mean it works great throughout merciless and 66-69 maps even with a unique Terminus Est which only cost me 2 alch orbs, but to truly play end game content i don't think a 2h blood magic build is going to cut it.
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#5xSighx(Topic Creator)Posted 8/19/2013 11:26:35 PM
oh also here's my current build:

http://tinyurl.com/n59q54x

i thought i'd put 120 point build up just to give people an idea of what nodes i was interested in, but i think its much better off to get feedback on where i should spend 100 skill points instead since that's about wher i'm at ^^
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#6Ryyaann_Is_BandPosted 8/20/2013 1:37:04 AM
There we go, much more realistic. I'll make a full reply tomorrow morning. It's pretty late where I am right now and I fear my reply won't be well-thought and coherent enough.

I did however, notice another pathing improvement
http://i.imgur.com/2zZ5YqR.png
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#7xSighx(Topic Creator)Posted 8/20/2013 4:04:17 AM
ahh i didnt catch that one after i took the points out of fire resist. thnx ^^


...unfortunately i am starting to feel like 2h sword is not at all viable past level 66 maps ahaha...im probably going to roll a new toon and go for 1h/shield with no blood magic. or maybe just 'sell out' and do a lightning strike or cleave type deal :P
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#8Ryyaann_Is_BandPosted 8/20/2013 10:47:05 AM
Well, 2H anything is pretty risky, since you're giving up your offhand slot to A) potentially have more links for a single item and B) deal more damage. Therefore you need to make sure your survivability / mitigaton / life return is high.. especially considering you're going Blood Magic.

If specced into BM, you want to make sure the AoE skill you choose to use, uses a small amount of life while returning lots of life. Need to continue grinding and leveling up the Reduced Mana so Grace doesn't reserve too much of your hp, or with the same effect, get more life.



Anyways, to the reply:

From: xSighx | #004
my physical mitigation is pretty bad so i have been shooting for pure Armor gear which get buffed up by armor nodes more so than hybrid arm/eva
i might drop the armor nodes for Leather & Steel, not sure yet


Yes, but at the same time, you're specced into Iron Reflexes so any Eva from Arm/Eva gear will be converted. I'm not sure which yields the better results:
- Getting the armour nodes you've gotten + wearing pure armour gear
- Getting the armour/evasion nodes near Duelist starting area + wearing armour/evasion hybrid gear + specced into IR

2) What type of weapon? 2H Sword?
that was the original idea, more of a thematic thing than an optimised thing, considering doing 1h/shield actually so i can solo maps. but if i went 1h/shield i would also drop blood magic so i could use Purity/Determination and be hyper tanky. and im sure the build would look very different, i would probably want to go only 'one handed' offense nodes that were already en route to key nodes, so that i could have more flexibility with 1hers (soul taker would be ideal in a mana based build but that's too rich for me)


2H Swords can definitely be viable. Since you're "giving up" two 3 Links (1H+Shield) , you need to make sure that not having an offhand is worth it, so you should try to either Jeweller/Fuse a 5L or 6L on your 2H that you deem will last you a long time before your next one or try to trade for a higher iLvl one thats already 5L'd or 6L'd and just try to craft one via alchs/chaos.

With that being said, skill and support choice is pretty important when you're going 2Hers.

3) What Auras are you running?
grace with reduced mana, that's it. im not specced for elemental damage at all so i don't feel like it's worth gaining 200 dps from anger/wrath at the cost of 300ish Life.


How much life do you currently have? Roughly 3000? If it would only cost 300, that's a tenth of your HP. Worth it, imo, especially considering those will level up and add more to your DPS.

4) Are you planning to stick with 2Hers forever? I noticed you have both 2Hers and 1Hers nodes specced.
i can always use regrets to go 1h or whatever, 2h was just the way i chose to level. that 1h node was an accident, i thought it was a 2h node. i've already removed it! oh and i caught that i could spend a point in +10 strength and take 2 points out of fire resist, that was the sort of rookie mistake i was looking for help with, but i ended up noticing it myself XD

still i dont believe the build is truly optimal yet, i mean it works great throughout merciless and 66-69 maps even with a unique Terminus Est which only cost me 2 alch orbs, but to truly play end game content i don't think a 2h blood magic build is going to cut it.


Ah okay. And imo, a 2H BM build can definitely be viable. Just need better choice of either skills or supports. Could always look up a cookie cutter 2H build too if you wanted.
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