fifinamboPosted 9/28/2010 8:23:22 PM | So, I've heard a lot of complaints about the cigarette being put out in a demon's eye is too brutal for Dante's personality. I agreed at first thinking about these examples:
He gave Berial a chance to retreat. He left Agni and Rudra alone until they start to fight him. He had mercy on Griffon. He gave Trish a second chance etc...
But then I though about Agnus and how Dante shot him in the face seemingly without giving him a chance to surrender. So, was that brutal or not?
Also, I forget, but does Dante ever canonically kill humans at all?
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Rinoa DestinyPosted 9/28/2010 8:34:17 PM | From what I know, Dante has never killed a regular human in canon before.
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crazyswordsPosted 9/28/2010 8:57:07 PM | It's not a brutality issue. It's the sadism.
He has no problems killing a demon. He'll also mock them. But he draws the line at torture. |
Stink_NastyPosted 9/28/2010 8:57:53 PM | He's apissed off teen wih no patience and super powers. If demons tried to kill me, why the hell would I show them mercy?
"Oh sorry evil deities trying to DESTROY me, do you have an ashtray?"
Eff that, I would shove it up his ass than kill him if I was that strong.
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Squall28Posted 9/28/2010 9:11:02 PM | It's not a brutality issue. It's the sadism.
The thing is...Dante has always enjoyed kicking demon ass...it's just something about the cigarette is disturbing. It's not flashy, and it doesn't have the fun-loving aspect to it. It just has this seething anger aspect to it.
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Stink_NastyPosted 9/28/2010 9:16:17 PM | He didn't torture him, he used it's head as an ashtray then cracked it's neck.
This is torture:
"any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him, or a third person, information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in, or incidental to, lawful sanctions."
As described by wiki, it was just a brutal ad angry way to kill someone. He's a teenager, he's angry and HE was tortured and honestly how much mercy would you show to someone trying to kill you?
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Grey_WarderPosted 9/28/2010 9:17:40 PM | Ummm.... He kinda discriminates against daemons...... |
Stink_NastyPosted 9/28/2010 9:20:24 PM | Umm..I'm pretty sure they try to kill him, so aren't thye discriminating him?
EIther way it's not torture.
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Rinoa DestinyPosted 9/28/2010 9:20:43 PM | ^ I think the problem with sadism applying to Dante is that it's very inherent and innate in psychopaths and sociopaths and it starts early according to psychology. If you're saying that Dante is pissed off and has resorted to sadism, then you're basically laying the groundwork for Dante to be an inherent non-empathic, cold-blooded guy. Go by that and you can even allow for Dante to be mutilating animals at a young age because many sadists of that ilk start like that. Also, once they start, they don't just stop - it's not like flicking a light switch off.
This is why this portrayal gets shaky compared to canon classic Dante. Dante in all previous versions of the game is someone who gets the job done fast. He doesn't torture any of his previous enemies and has never shown an inkling of doing so. If we allow - no, accept - this as part of Dante's backstory, then we've just given room for an angry, sociopathic Dante who wouldn't mind torturing Trish or Beowulf (and even Vergil killed him quickly) just because. It's dangerous ground to tread for an established canon character who is so the opposite that the only thing it can be is ridiculous.
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Rinoa DestinyPosted 9/28/2010 9:21:48 PM | ^ I think the problem with sadism applying to Dante is that it's very inherent and innate in psychopaths and sociopaths and it starts early according to psychology. If you're saying that Dante is pissed off and has resorted to sadism, then you're basically laying the groundwork for Dante to be an inherent non-empathic, cold-blooded guy. Go by that and you can even allow for Dante to be mutilating animals at a young age because many sadists of that ilk start like that. Also, once they start, they don't just stop - it's not like flicking a light switch off.
This is why this portrayal gets shaky compared to canon classic Dante. Dante in all previous versions of the game is someone who gets the job done fast. He doesn't torture any of his previous enemies and has never shown an inkling of doing so. If we allow - no, accept - this as part of Dante's backstory, then we've just given room for an angry, sociopathic Dante who wouldn't mind torturing Trish or Beowulf (and even Vergil killed him quickly) just because. It's dangerous ground to tread for an established canon character who is so the opposite that the only thing it can be is ridiculous.
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