Some new info from the new PSM.

#31caffiend7Posted 12/5/2012 12:23:25 AM
PineappleFist posted...
Okay, so since I don't like being called a liar (or a troll for that matter) I went back to the supermarket and bought the damned magazine.

Here are the pics:
http://imgur.com/leNn6
http://imgur.com/leNn6
http://imgur.com/ohXze
http://imgur.com/k4V8q

I'll post some more details from the magazine in a minute.


Those pictures especially the front page are UGLY UGLY!!!
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#32SiLVeR_420Posted 12/5/2012 12:28:08 AM
pyro_bunta posted...
Hunter1534 posted...
Boss as a tutorial = BAD GAME DESIGN. DMC 4 is guilty of that too.


The one that teaches how you fight is Dante himself. How is DMC4's tutorial bad?


Also he's the very first enemy in the game...I doubt this one will drop you right in with a boss.
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#33KyryloPosted 12/5/2012 12:29:24 AM
what is this....knife thing....sitting on the floor? IT's Donte?
#34Psychochild27Posted 12/5/2012 1:09:01 AM(edited)
Hunter1534 posted...
pyro_bunta posted...
Hunter1534 posted...
Boss as a tutorial = BAD GAME DESIGN. DMC 4 is guilty of that too.


The one that teaches how you fight is Dante himself. How is DMC4's tutorial bad?


The tutorial isn't bad. The fact that it's used in a boss battle is bad. Watch egoraptors sequelitis vids. It's about teaching through gameplay.


The tutorial in DMC4 wasn't offensive at all. Dante's essentially a single fighting game CPU dummy that players can focus on who shows you rolls, jumps as an evasive tool, lock on, basic melee/gun/buster and launching mechanics through tooltips and repetition all outside of the boss battle section.

At the same time, Dante's also introducing all his obvious tells for the fight ahead on Devil Hunter/Human mode and conditioning players to perform certain actions when he does them (And subsequently teaching them it's perfectly fine to watch and learn tells for enemy attacks in general). He jumps back and starts firing a sweeping barrage, jump. Spin the guns in front of him, side strafe. If he leans forward, and claps his hands, High Roller (Or at least run up and combo - he does it constantly). He jumps straight up in the air, move and prepare to punish because he's going for a Helmbreaker. He's walking around with his guns out? Free busters.

DMC4's tutorial was very effective given how much more complicated the fight mechanics are than Megaman X and I'd have killed for something so forgiving and helpful when DMC3 came out. Remember that one? You spawn in, you have two info screens and you're left in a room with three enemies who can murder you in seven whacks on the DA release which then builds into a minute and a half long battle. THAT is an awful tutorial.
#35DaAzureGrimoirePosted 12/5/2012 6:10:52 AM
fifinambo posted...
PineappleFist posted...
Okay, so since I don't like being called a liar (or a troll for that matter) I went back to the supermarket and bought the damned magazine.

Here are the pics:
http://imgur.com/leNn6
http://imgur.com/leNn6
http://imgur.com/ohXze
http://imgur.com/k4V8q

I'll post some more details from the magazine in a minute.


Wow, the concept art is horrendous.

Ya' know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of those crappy Silent Hill comics Linkara reviewed...
Just awful. I mean...wow. And I thought the first trailer was bad. Amazingly, it could've been worse...Who would have thought?


It looks a lot like Constantine actually, and Constantine is pretty good.
Smokes cigarettes. Hunts demons. Gives little to no *****.
Constantine is almost practically the western equivalent of Dante.
It's no surprise they ended up with a similar look during the concept art phase.
Not sure if you think it's horrendous cause it doesn't look like Old Dante or if you genuinely think it looks bad. It's well drawn. It's grungy. Not sure what's wrong with it.
If he wore that black suit outfit, he'd have better chances in a bar than his regular self and Dante...
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#36FNP88Posted 12/5/2012 6:50:10 AM
SiLVeR_420 posted...
pyro_bunta posted...
Hunter1534 posted...
Boss as a tutorial = BAD GAME DESIGN. DMC 4 is guilty of that too.


The one that teaches how you fight is Dante himself. How is DMC4's tutorial bad?


Also he's the very first enemy in the game...I doubt this one will drop you right in with a boss.


Actually from what i have heard i think it does. Maybe not though.
#37BaulModeusPosted 12/5/2012 6:55:06 AM
So funny that Tameem and Ninja Theory are getting so much hate when they were specifically commissioned to make a drastically different Devil May Cry when they in fact wanted to maintain a lot of the old style and concept, which they still managed to do while applying drastically new changes as well.
#38DaAzureGrimoirePosted 12/5/2012 6:55:40 AM
FNP88 posted...
SiLVeR_420 posted...
pyro_bunta posted...
Hunter1534 posted...
Boss as a tutorial = BAD GAME DESIGN. DMC 4 is guilty of that too.


The one that teaches how you fight is Dante himself. How is DMC4's tutorial bad?


Also he's the very first enemy in the game...I doubt this one will drop you right in with a boss.


Actually from what i have heard i think it does. Maybe not though.


I think he fights some regular enemies for a second first, then boss.
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#39stevenbobPosted 12/5/2012 7:14:08 AM
BaulModeus posted...
So funny that Tameem and Ninja Theory are getting so much hate when they were specifically commissioned to make a drastically different Devil May Cry when they in fact wanted to maintain a lot of the old style and concept, which they still managed to do while applying drastically new changes as well.


they were told nothing of the sort they were told to make a drastically different looking DANTE they could have kept everything else the same but that would be stupid so they changed the combat to match the new lead then every step they took away from DMC they are back tracking to appease fans who are not buying the game they should have stuck with there guns
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#40CharactdurrPosted 12/5/2012 7:30:40 AM
stevenbob posted...
BaulModeus posted...
So funny that Tameem and Ninja Theory are getting so much hate when they were specifically commissioned to make a drastically different Devil May Cry when they in fact wanted to maintain a lot of the old style and concept, which they still managed to do while applying drastically new changes as well.


they were told nothing of the sort they were told to make a drastically different looking DANTE they could have kept everything else the same but that would be stupid so they changed the combat to match the new lead then every step they took away from DMC they are back tracking to appease fans who are not buying the game they should have stuck with there guns


Team Ninja could've avoided so much flak just by being lazier. It's true.
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