DmC: Devil May Cry

Ether101 posted...

No-A-Body posted...

KA_ME_HA_ME_HA posted...

Okay, I'm going to be honest. The fact that "No one would buy it if it wasn't called DmC" is stupid. So basically it wasn't good enough to sell on it's own, so it needs a better series title to sell? So we lose our series so this one sells better? You admitted it could be a new IP pretty much, but just to secure sales it needs to take another franchises name?

What I see here is that this could have been it's own franchise and we could have kept ours, but so it will sell better they had to take ours away. That seems plenty fair.

Take ours away? How do you know it's been taken away? Did someone say there'll never be a Capcom developed DMC made again? I haven't that seen. And no, the idea of it not being Devil May Cry = less sales isn't stupid. And not good enough to sell on it's own? There are many games that are increadibly good, revered by reviewers and gamers that did play it alike, that had piss poor sales because no one knew what it was. Shadows of the Damned, ICO, Okami, Valkyria Chronicles, Beyond Good and Evil, Vanquish, Mirrors Edge, Brutal Legend, etc etc. All sold kinda poorly because no one knew what these games were, instead buying the new Madden or CoD. If this was titled Nephilm's Tears or something, it probably wouldn't sell any better than the others I've mentioned. Being DmC, like it or not, does give it a bit of a fighting chance.

Where the hell have you been? One of the biggest problems with DmC is that Capcom made it clear that they were thinking of replacing DMC with it.

Key word, thinking. Someone saying that they're "thinking" of doing something doesn't instantly make it so. George Lusas said there would never be another Star Wars movie, and now they're working on it. That was kind of an official announcement, yet it's still happening. And thinking is NOT an official announcement of any kind. As I have stated, the DmC title does probably give it a fair chance at doing okay, but I don't think it necessarily will. Enslaved never did that well I don't believe. I'm almost willing to bet that if this doesn't do all that well that we'll probably see a DMC5 for sure. But, again, I would love to see both versions continue.
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No-A-Body posted...

Key word, thinking. Someone saying that they're "thinking" of doing something doesn't instantly make it so. George Lusas said there would never be another Star Wars movie, and now they're working on it.

Wow, you really don't keep up with facts, do you?

Disney bought out Star Wars. It's Disney working on it, not Lucas. Lucas is keeping to his word.

KaijinSurohm posted...

No-A-Body posted...

Take ours away? How do you know it's been taken away? Did someone say there'll never be a Capcom developed DMC made again? I haven't that seen.

You havn't looked very hard. The entire point of a "Reboot" is to replace the entire series, because the producer felt the series was going nowhere, and has died.

For example: Castlevania. I can tell you now we're done seeing the original storyline of that game. (I hated lords of shadows)

Between the countless interviews (as the people above have mentioned) and reports that has been made public, Devil May Cry can very easily be dead.

Ontop of that, after some digging myself, it turns out that DmC is Ninja Theory's last real attempt to stay as a company. If DmC fails, NT goes bankrupt, and we get DMC back.

So if you want Dante to return, don't buy DmC. I personally hate Ninja Theory, and havn't enjoyed any game made by them. Both because their game design is terrible, and they refuse to listen to the fans, and improve based on feedback.

The fact Capcom has tried this with a new company has put a big ding on their overall strength in the gaming world. Lately, Capcom has done completely stupid moves, and makes me wonder how much longer they'll survive if it keeps up.

And for any of you who still wish to argue "Capcom won't listen to fans, and runs it like a business" go look up what happened to Netflix, and their DVD stunt. They had no choice but to listen to user feedback.

But no one, NO ONE, has said never. Not an utter of a never. There's a difference between "might replace the series" and "will replace the series". Does the out come look good? Not really, but it doesn't look that bad either.

I loved Lords of Shadow. My opinion.

I've wondered what the failure of the new DmC would mean for NT, and I didn't think it would be good. You've confirmed my feelings on it.

No, I haven't done a bunch of digging around (I don't have time for that when I got other things I want and need to do), but from all I've seen, read, or heard, there has not been an official statement of DMC being dead.

And despite people's personal opinions about NT, it would suck for all those employees to lose their jobs over this. It would be nice to see them get bought by a good company. Sony, Rockstar/Take 2, Capcom themselves, someone who can focus their workers and make something amazing in the future. I've seen companies before that weren't doing well make a complete turnaround. Maybe they can make the next Onimusha if Capcom buys them. (trolololol)
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KaijinSurohm posted...

No-A-Body posted...

Key word, thinking. Someone saying that they're "thinking" of doing something doesn't instantly make it so. George Lusas said there would never be another Star Wars movie, and now they're working on it.

Wow, you really don't keep up with facts, do you?

Disney bought out Star Wars. It's Disney working on it, not Lucas. Lucas is keeping to his word.

Okay, I knew this s*** would open a another can a worms.

Lucas, though in limited capacity, IS helping on the new Star Wars! It is still Lucasfilm making is, and George Lucas has a hand in helping out with things like lore and what have you.

Now I'm going to be childish for a minute and say, "who's not keeping up on facts now!?"

Okay, let's shut up about SW. Jesus people...
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SlaveBlade posted...

TheOriginalMax posted...

SlaveBlade posted...

KA_ME_HA_ME_HA posted...

But that chance for another series doing better is the potential loss of the original series.

As a new IP, we could keep DMC and you guys could have this.

To take away a series we loved just so this one has a "better chance".... do you really not see that as selfish? There could have been both. Hell, as it's own game I might be willing to give this game a shot. As a DMC, it doesn't interest me at all. It probably would have done better as a new IP.

So you call this selfish but when you act like you're owed a DMC5 and say the series was "taken away from us' it's not selfish?

Hell, why do you get to 'take this game from us'? What if more people like this new take than the old one? 2 wrongs don't make a right.

It is selfish to take away something people hold dear so that it favors just one party. Turtle-Beam has a good point, there could have been both, just name DmC into something different and stop having it affiliated with another series. There is a sense of selfishness here, true, but this selfishness comes from trying to hold onto something that's being figuratively ripped away from the arms of the people.

More people liking this or not is completely irrelevant. We don't live in a society where the weak must be killed to ensure survival anymore, and instead live in a society where people are treated equally. There is still the problem of the extensive group of people that are going to get completely screwed out of a new DMC game if DmC takes its place. It's unfair to them. Your "2 wrongs don't make a right" makes absolutely no sense here since it in fact speaks against your position. They've already made one wrong with DMC2(/4 to some people, but 4 is not as crystal-clear), and they could be making one with DmC. Also they've already rebooted franchises with piss-poor results. Wouldn't that also use your point against you?

Yes and no.

The point is you'd be trying to take away this new take from us

How is that fair? why do you get more say?

How am I taking anything away? You'd still get this game, the names would just be different. We could both have our own thing. Nothing needs to be taken away from either side if it was a new IP.
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SlaveBlade posted...

TheOriginalMax posted...

SlaveBlade posted...

KA_ME_HA_ME_HA posted...

But that chance for another series doing better is the potential loss of the original series.

As a new IP, we could keep DMC and you guys could have this.

To take away a series we loved just so this one has a "better chance".... do you really not see that as selfish? There could have been both. Hell, as it's own game I might be willing to give this game a shot. As a DMC, it doesn't interest me at all. It probably would have done better as a new IP.

So you call this selfish but when you act like you're owed a DMC5 and say the series was "taken away from us' it's not selfish?

Hell, why do you get to 'take this game from us'? What if more people like this new take than the old one? 2 wrongs don't make a right.

It is selfish to take away something people hold dear so that it favors just one party. Turtle-Beam has a good point, there could have been both, just name DmC into something different and stop having it affiliated with another series. There is a sense of selfishness here, true, but this selfishness comes from trying to hold onto something that's being figuratively ripped away from the arms of the people.

More people liking this or not is completely irrelevant. We don't live in a society where the weak must be killed to ensure survival anymore, and instead live in a society where people are treated equally. There is still the problem of the extensive group of people that are going to get completely screwed out of a new DMC game if DmC takes its place. It's unfair to them. Your "2 wrongs don't make a right" makes absolutely no sense here since it in fact speaks against your position. They've already made one wrong with DMC2(/4 to some people, but 4 is not as crystal-clear), and they could be making one with DmC. Also they've already rebooted franchises with piss-poor results. Wouldn't that also use your point against you?

Yes and no.

The point is you'd be trying to take away this new take from us

How is that fair? why do you get more say?

That wasn't the point you were making though :D
You do realize how asinine this whole argument is becoming, right?

How do you still keep misinterpreting and incorrectly generalizing what I say after all this time? Are you the type of person that uses illusory correlation and attributes crimes committed to minority ethnic groups? I've been saying since day freaking one that I would love it if both series ran side-by-side ala Marvel Universes. I'm not trying to take anything away from anyone.


No-A-Body posted...

There's a difference between "might replace the series" and "will replace the series". Does the out come look good? Not really, but it doesn't look that bad either.

Wouldn't a smart person in such a case try to fight tooth and nail to try and ensure the thing that "might happen" will not happen? Can you blame people for being concerned? There is a possibility of the "bad" happening, ergo people behave as they do.
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That wasn't the point you were making though :D
You do realize how asinine this whole argument is becoming, right?

How do you still keep misinterpreting and incorrectly generalizing what I say after all this time? Are you the type of person that uses illusory correlation and attributes crimes committed to minority ethnic groups? I've been saying since day freaking one that I would love it if both series ran side-by-side ala Marvel Universes. I'm not trying to take anything away from anyone.

That was the point I was making. I'm not incorrect in what I've said. There's plenty of people saying 'give us DMC5 and trash this'. I'm talking about them. I'm sorry you incorrectly assumed something and made an ass out of yourself.
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SlaveBlade posted...

That was the point I was making. I'm not incorrect in what I've said. There's plenty of people saying 'give us DMC5 and trash this'. I'm talking about them. I'm sorry you incorrectly assumed something and made an ass out of yourself.

So you didn't write:

The point is you'd be trying to take away this new take from us

nor

why do you get more say?

Ok, so you weren't telling "me" with that "you", nor were you referring to "me" by referring to "me" by writing "you"... Jesus facepalming Christ, kid.
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TheOriginalMax posted...

SlaveBlade posted...

That was the point I was making. I'm not incorrect in what I've said. There's plenty of people saying 'give us DMC5 and trash this'. I'm talking about them. I'm sorry you incorrectly assumed something and made an ass out of yourself.

So you didn't write:

The point is you'd be trying to take away this new take from us

nor

why do you get more say?

Ok, so you weren't telling "me" with that "you", nor were you referring to "me" by referring to "me" by writing "you"... Jesus facepalming Christ, kid.

It was a general you.

Get over it you melodramatic dramaslob.
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SlaveBlade posted...

TheOriginalMax posted...

SlaveBlade posted...

That was the point I was making. I'm not incorrect in what I've said. There's plenty of people saying 'give us DMC5 and trash this'. I'm talking about them. I'm sorry you incorrectly assumed something and made an ass out of yourself.

So you didn't write:

The point is you'd be trying to take away this new take from us

nor

why do you get more say?

Ok, so you weren't telling "me" with that "you", nor were you referring to "me" by referring to "me" by writing "you"... Jesus facepalming Christ, kid.

It was a general you.

Get over it you melodramatic dramaslob.

Dude, the general consensus among the anti's is that we'd ignore it if they changed the name. In general we only want it trashed if it continues as a DMC game. As it's own game, we're fine with it existing.

And on the "we'd call it a rip-off" thing, just put a big sign that says "Inspired by DMC". Didn't Chaos Legion have "If you liked DMC, you'll love this!" on the case? It's 90% why I picked it up. CL itself is 100% the reason I kept it.

They could have used the DMC name without naming it DMC.
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