Kratos vs Dante

#31Cypher0120Posted 2/6/2013 12:06:57 AM
SBK91 posted...


Please provide a single example of Asura harming an incorporeal being in game. Because without that, he can't hurt Bayonetta.


Bayonetta, Chapter 9.

Forced to stay outside Purgatorio so direct attacks from her weapons are unable to harm the 'intangible' angels. What works however is the environment being used against them since the properties of that still translate into Purgatorio.

Asura blows up the planet as the Destroyer, all that debris is going to be hitting Bayonetta and she hasn't shown the ability to tank attacks of that magnitude.
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#32Cypher0120Posted 2/6/2013 12:10:49 AM
kratoscar2008 posted...
Yeah Kratos wins. But only if he keeps focused and doesnt let Dante hit him while Dante has shown being a bad fighter as he relies heavily on his semi-immortality to survive of course Kratos has just to put his hands on him and puff Dante is dead.


A bad fighter? Without even trying, his firearms are accurate enough to have multiple bullets lined up from a fair distance away. The DMC2 Novel has the bullets from Ebony and Ivory having enough output to deflect anti-tank rounds. His accuracy is good enough to kick Echidna's seeds in DMC4 from a large distance and send them all flying back in one place after they've been bouncing against each other and/or the trees. It won't take long before a bullet finds his way into Kratos' skull through his eye sockets using accuracy alone.
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#33TheCyborgNinjaPosted 2/6/2013 1:34:13 AM
Kratos killed Zeus, who is basically the Greek mythology equivalent of "God." A bunch of demons are nothing compared with almost everyone in Olympus.
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#34UtaNapishtiPosted 2/6/2013 2:10:54 AM
In terms of speed, reflexes and agility, Kratos can't hold a candle to Dante. I really hope no one would argue against that. Kratos is above average in this department (ie. dodging arrows), but not by that much.

Endurance and healing, Dante far surpasses Kratos. Dante heals from everything extremely quickly, and can take enormous hits without showing any discomfort (Beowulf, Nero punching him continuously in the face with Devil Bringer). Kratos doesn't get injured storywise often, but when he does, it proves disastrous for him. Furthermore, in gameplay, Kratos can be killed by falling, and I think it's safe to say that is canonical. In the first mission of DMC2, Dante jumps from a huge skyscraper and lands with no evident harm.

Fighting skills, they're both master combatants at any weapon they pick up. I don't think one really takes it over the other here.

Strengthwise, it would seem Kratos takes this, however, Dante is certainly no slouch. He can shatter stone effortlessly, pry open the mouth of Echidna fairly easily, but his greatest strength feat is resisting the punch of the Savior. Even though it stopped before it could crush him, he still knocked it aside like it was nothing. Kratos' strength is incredibly inconsistent. At times he can pry open the fingers of the huge Cronos, whereas other times he noticeably struggles in overpowering an aged translator. While he still may be stronger, I definitely don't think it's going to be the determining factor.

All things considered, Dante would win. And if he used devil trigger, it would be a total joke.
#35Undead_YakuzaPosted 2/6/2013 2:41:29 AM
No matter which Dante we are talking about in the thread, Kratos would eff him up.
However, Uncle Dante would fare better against Kratos than DmC Dante.

- If Kratos is ever "killed", he simply crawls his way out of the underworld.

- His weapons and magic powers makes him extremely dangerous, be it at a range or close-combat.

- He killed all of the gods... Gods. Yeah...
#36Pirateking2000Posted 2/6/2013 7:50:09 AM
Undead_Yakuza posted...
No matter which Dante we are talking about in the thread, Kratos would eff him up.
However, Uncle Dante would fare better against Kratos than DmC Dante.

- If Kratos is ever "killed", he simply crawls his way out of the underworld.

- His weapons and magic powers makes him extremely dangerous, be it at a range or close-combat.

- He killed all of the gods... Gods. Yeah...


not Aphrodite <wink>
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#37SBK91Posted 2/6/2013 8:41:30 AM
Forced to stay outside Purgatorio so direct attacks from her weapons are unable to harm the 'intangible' angels.

Bayonetta, Chapter 1, she passes intangibly through the ticket gates. The environment doesn't affect her.

So no actual proof of Asura harming an intangible being. Noted.

she hasn't shown the ability to tank attacks of that magnitude.

Yellow Lollipops say otherwise. Also, how is he attacking through a time stop?
#38SilentS89Posted 2/6/2013 8:44:02 AM
SBK91 posted...
Forced to stay outside Purgatorio so direct attacks from her weapons are unable to harm the 'intangible' angels.

Bayonetta, Chapter 1, she passes intangibly through the ticket gates. The environment doesn't affect her.

So no actual proof of Asura harming an intangible being. Noted.

she hasn't shown the ability to tank attacks of that magnitude.

Yellow Lollipops say otherwise. Also, how is he attacking through a time stop?


While I agree with you otherwise, aren't Yellow Lollipops just a gameplay mechanic?

Bayonetta still wins even without them anyway.
#39Rising_shadowPosted 2/6/2013 8:52:16 AM
- He killed all of the gods... Gods. Yeah...

The greek gods aren't really all that powerful in the cosmology of things. They're extremely powerful but they're not invincible or omnipotent and are limited in what they can control.

Putting Zeus who controls lightning against Indra from Hindu mythology would be a laugh riot. By contrast, Indra is the god of storms and lightning and can make weapons powerful enough to slaughter other gods.
The Creator God Brahma has an astra that some humans could also use that was the equivalent of a modern nuke, destroying everything where it landed, rendering anything unable to grow for thousands of years. And that's one of his weakest abilities. By contrast, Zeus did what? Impregnate women, turn himself into animals for bestiality orgies, punch out a few other powerful beings?
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#40Pirateking2000Posted 2/6/2013 11:13:26 AM
SilentS89 posted...
SBK91 posted...
Forced to stay outside Purgatorio so direct attacks from her weapons are unable to harm the 'intangible' angels.

Bayonetta, Chapter 1, she passes intangibly through the ticket gates. The environment doesn't affect her.

So no actual proof of Asura harming an intangible being. Noted.

she hasn't shown the ability to tank attacks of that magnitude.

Yellow Lollipops say otherwise. Also, how is he attacking through a time stop?


While I agree with you otherwise, aren't Yellow Lollipops just a gameplay mechanic?

Bayonetta still wins even without them anyway.


for yellow lollipops couldn't the same thing be said for yellow orbs for Dante (doesn't Kratos have something similar as well?)
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