is vergil considered a villain?

#121NairodmaticPosted 2/14/2013 3:29:08 PM
AlexxShadenk777 posted...
A bad guy =/= the villain.


That's true, and I agree. But in DMC3, as much as I liked him, he was the villain (of two) in the game.
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#122Sony_7Posted 2/14/2013 5:29:11 PM(edited)
Scar from the Lion King killed his own brother in order to obtain the crown. He murdered him in cold blood for a selfish goal. It''s not like it was his goal to kill his brother, it's just that he wanted to be king. He just used an evil act as a means to an end. Most villains are like that.

They have a specific goal and are willing to do anything to achieve them. So when Vergil decides that he wants to open the gates to hell just for a selfish reason like power then that is pretty damn evil and villainous. If you don't agree with that then you'd be saying most villains out there aren't villains. Just because your goal isn't to cause destruction and misery doesn't mean you're not a villain. MOST villains aren't like that.
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#123SasukefirePosted 2/15/2013 5:21:22 PM
FireMage7777 posted...
Sasukefire posted...
Is today Opposite Day or something?
Well, there's only one way to end this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=winy9Mhmf94


At least you admit it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_1MIuRv850
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#124SasukefirePosted 2/15/2013 5:23:46 PM
FireMage7777 posted...
QCTeamkill posted...
Vergil is a vilain, in both series.

He's got redeeming factors, such as he had a bad childhood and wears blue. But anyone who kills people with purpose, or let them die without a second thought is evil.

Said it before but, it's funny there's some to defend Vergil in DmC just like old times.


Who does Vergil kill? Go on, I'll wait

Vergil indirectly killed a city's worth of people by activated the Temen-ni-gru. That caused demons to spawn up everyone can kill people inside a strip club for God's sake.
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#125FireMage7777Posted 2/15/2013 5:28:42 PM
Sasukefire posted...
FireMage7777 posted...
QCTeamkill posted...
Vergil is a vilain, in both series.

He's got redeeming factors, such as he had a bad childhood and wears blue. But anyone who kills people with purpose, or let them die without a second thought is evil.

Said it before but, it's funny there's some to defend Vergil in DmC just like old times.


Who does Vergil kill? Go on, I'll wait

Vergil indirectly killed a city's worth of people by activated the Temen-ni-gru. That caused demons to spawn up everyone can kill people inside a strip club for God's sake.


You mean Arkham
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#126mad_hax_manPosted 2/15/2013 9:03:14 PM
AlexxShadenk777 posted...

There's no true black and white here. And Vergil is the best example of that, doing neither good or bad, all that matters is power and screw morality.

As a side note, it's not entirely clear whether or not the either twin truly wanted to kill the other. If anything, it's Dante the one closer to wanting to kill Vergil, he flat out tells him: "I have to stop you... even if that means killing you." But in the end, he tried to prevent Vergil from falling back into Hell. Vergil decided to stay. And Dante cried.

Spout about morals all you want, but the fact remains: Vergil was never a villain. His actions and intentions do not define a villain.


Uhmmm, what?

First off, there is a clear black and white morality in the series, and its directly tied to the above statement. Those that treasure power over humanity are the evil characters. Those that treasure their humanity, whether they are human or not are the good guys. That's the definition of being evil in the DMC verse. Arius, Sanctus, Arkham, and Agnus all sacrifice their humanity for power, and are the main villains of their game. Mundus laughs off Trish's awakening to humanity, and he is the main villain of his game. Vergil denounces his human side and embraces his demon side, and is willing to do anything to get his fathers demonic power.

And unleashing demons upon an unsuspecting city is the very action of a villain. Intending to open up the gates of hell is the very action of a villain. Doing it for completely selfish motives are the very motivations of a villain. His actions were evil, his motives are selfish. End of story.
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#127mad_hax_manPosted 2/15/2013 9:04:37 PM
FireMage7777 posted...


No...Sanctus wanted to conquer the world with The Savior...did you PLAY the game?

And no, Vergil knew what Dante could take, and only reason he was about to draw his sword was in case the fight was resume, but Dante was obviously too wounded to do so...


No, he wanted people to view him as the next messiah. He wanted to trick people into worshiping, not rule over them by brute force. Sure, he would have used brute force against anyone that opposed him, but so would Vergil

And there's no proof that Vergil knew that Dante would survive the onslaught. Dante was pretty much dead. The last stab was meant to finish him off

FireMage7777 posted...

You mean Arkham


No, he's talking about the beginning of the game, the initial onslaught of demons from the tower , when Arkham and Vergil were still working together.

And then there's the scene were Vergil berates Arkham for sparing Lady. The dude is a villain
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