Didn't Dante royally screw the pooch on this? *ending spoilers*

#1Y2RyokoPosted 3/9/2013 3:50:29 PM
Okay, seriously, what was Dante thinking when he decided to fight Vergil to the death at the end of DmC? It seems like he had some crazy notion that he alone would be enough to protect humanity when it took the combined efforts of him, Vergil, Kat, and a whole secret army, providing constant guerrilla attacks and months of careful planning just to take down a single guy.

Vergil's plan wasn't even evil. It was arrogant, yes, but in the long run it was probably the best idea anyone could possibly come up with, seeing as humanity is completely incapable of doing a single thing in this world. What was he afraid Vergil would do as part ruler? He's already established that he's cool with humanity. It's not like he wants to enslave people. He just wants to protect them from demons. In fact, he'd probably open wiccan magic academies or something to teach humans more anti-demon techniques. He basically wants to do the same thing Dante does. but more efficiently and phrased it in a less than favorable way. So Dante just flips out and stabs him, reducing their combined combat potential considerably. Unless DmC2 features some other powerful demon/nephilum ally, it seems like humanity is going to get a lot less populated as soon as the next Mundus-level demon shows up.

Shoutouts to Argosax for DmC2 villain!
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#2OracleGunnerPosted 3/9/2013 4:04:21 PM
Kat is the reason for this ending.
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#3DaAzureGrimoirePosted 3/9/2013 4:10:04 PM
Just throwing this out there, but Vergil and Dante fighting over a gray area situation is kind of the point. To see how 2 individuals with similar mentality handle a situation completely differently.


Also, all they really did was make the world more similar to The original series works, with demons now being and integrated part of the world.
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#4Supreme121Posted 3/9/2013 4:14:43 PM
Yeah, I pointed out something like this in my review a long time ago. Personally I think NT should have scrapped the sibling rivalry, and have Vorgil and Donte team-up to defend the human-race, it would've presented more unique challenges for future installments (lol). But alas even that wouldn't be enough to save this game.

Agrosax would be a welcome addition in future titles for sure. He was the only thing interesting to have been born out of DMC2.
#5ShadowZero007Posted 3/9/2013 4:20:50 PM
The thing is even if things would have been better with Vergil and Dante ruling the world; then the situation hasn't changed much. (Well minus having their souls being used to power the hell furnace to maintain the hell gate :p which is in itself justification for killing Mundus and collapsing Limbo into the human world)

Humanity would have still been pawns and held no power over their own destinies. Dante wanted to give people freedom and the opportunity to choose.

:p Although yeah together admittedly they would have had a much stronger front.
Though you don't have to rule someone in order to protect them. Dante will still do his best to try and help the people of the world; Vergil has no confidence in humans or their judgement and abilities and would have ruled as he saw fit regardless of any protests. Dante didn't want that, and Vergil wasn't willing to simply defend humans without ruling them; hence the fight. Although all things considered especially how Vergil kinda lost it at the end of VD, things have taken a turn for the worst.

Though there wasn't much that could have been done besides Dante abandoning his principles and ruling with Vergil.
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#6MoreFunThanTVPosted 3/9/2013 4:23:19 PM
DaAzureGrimoire posted...
Also, all they really did was make the world more similar to The original series works, with demons now being and integrated part of the world.


Well sure the old DMC's world had demons in the human world but as far as I could tell barring human intervention or a powerful demon coming over to our side the world wasn't filled with demon hordes rampaging through the streets like what seems to be the case here.

And plus the big key difference is it wasn't Dante's fault that the world was filled with demons. This would be like if for example Persona 3 ended with you making it so Shadows could go where ever they please at anytime of day and the heroes acted like this was a good thing since now everyone knows about the existence of Shadows and the 13th hour when it really isn't since you just unleashed ungodly monsters upon an unprepared public that's probably gonna get completely stomped due to their lack of abilities to fight against them.

Sure most RPGs have worlds filled with monsters anyway, but the big difference is it's usually not the hero's fault it's like that.
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#7DaAzureGrimoirePosted 3/10/2013 8:52:07 PM
MoreFunThanTV posted...
DaAzureGrimoire posted...
Also, all they really did was make the world more similar to The original series works, with demons now being and integrated part of the world.


Well sure the old DMC's world had demons in the human world but as far as I could tell barring human intervention or a powerful demon coming over to our side the world wasn't filled with demon hordes rampaging through the streets like what seems to be the case here.

And plus the big key difference is it wasn't Dante's fault that the world was filled with demons. This would be like if for example Persona 3 ended with you making it so Shadows could go where ever they please at anytime of day and the heroes acted like this was a good thing since now everyone knows about the existence of Shadows and the 13th hour when it really isn't since you just unleashed ungodly monsters upon an unprepared public that's probably gonna get completely stomped due to their lack of abilities to fight against them.

Sure most RPGs have worlds filled with monsters anyway, but the big difference is it's usually not the hero's fault it's like that.


The thing here is, it was Vergil who destroyed the Hell Gate.
It was Vergil that caused this issue. Vergil tasked Dante will killing Mundus pretty much and Vergil was the one that destroyed the Hell Gate, leading to this even to happen in the first place. Dante didn't know in the least and all blame should be Vergil's, even though its not even implied that he knew the demons would leak into the real world anyways.
The Hell Gate is what gave Mundus his super demon powers, so ultimately, it was still pretty necessary to take it out.

That aside though, there's nothing to suggest it's not possible for the world of DmC to not end up becoming a world similar to the original DMCs. In the original DMCs, demons were amongst the humans and while hidden, were still prominent enough for Dante to have a business centered around exterminating them. If the manga's and the anime are anything to go off of, demons were rather prominent in the real world.
If these people are able to make facebook, twitter, and youtube posts about the demons, I'm leaning towards the idea that the demons aren't systematically eradicating the human race and their world will become more similar to the original DMCs with Dante making a business of killing demons.
But that's just me.
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#8Ink-RibbonPosted 3/10/2013 9:00:58 PM
DaAzureGrimoire posted...
MoreFunThanTV posted...
DaAzureGrimoire posted...
Also, all they really did was make the world more similar to The original series works, with demons now being and integrated part of the world.


Well sure the old DMC's world had demons in the human world but as far as I could tell barring human intervention or a powerful demon coming over to our side the world wasn't filled with demon hordes rampaging through the streets like what seems to be the case here.

And plus the big key difference is it wasn't Dante's fault that the world was filled with demons. This would be like if for example Persona 3 ended with you making it so Shadows could go where ever they please at anytime of day and the heroes acted like this was a good thing since now everyone knows about the existence of Shadows and the 13th hour when it really isn't since you just unleashed ungodly monsters upon an unprepared public that's probably gonna get completely stomped due to their lack of abilities to fight against them.

Sure most RPGs have worlds filled with monsters anyway, but the big difference is it's usually not the hero's fault it's like that.


The thing here is, it was Vergil who destroyed the Hell Gate.
It was Vergil that caused this issue. Vergil tasked Dante will killing Mundus pretty much and Vergil was the one that destroyed the Hell Gate, leading to this even to happen in the first place. Dante didn't know in the least and all blame should be Vergil's, even though its not even implied that he knew the demons would leak into the real world anyways.
The Hell Gate is what gave Mundus his super demon powers, so ultimately, it was still pretty necessary to take it out.

That aside though, there's nothing to suggest it's not possible for the world of DmC to not end up becoming a world similar to the original DMCs. In the original DMCs, demons were amongst the humans and while hidden, were still prominent enough for Dante to have a business centered around exterminating them. If the manga's and the anime are anything to go off of, demons were rather prominent in the real world.
If these people are able to make facebook, twitter, and youtube posts about the demons, I'm leaning towards the idea that the demons aren't systematically eradicating the human race and their world will become more similar to the original DMCs with Dante making a business of killing demons.
But that's just me.



Your post is logical and reasonable, 2 words that antis don't accept...

Very good post, by the way. Couldn't have said it any better. XD
#9darkslayer001Posted 3/10/2013 9:56:43 PM
ya the ending and the overall story is confusing and pointless...
Virgil wasn't even the bad guy in this game...
some folks say DMC4 is filled with plot holes, but in the contrary DMC4 did not finish its story and DmC is actualy filled with MANY plot holes.
#10DaAzureGrimoirePosted 3/10/2013 10:04:39 PM
darkslayer001 posted...
ya the ending and the overall story is confusing and pointless...
Virgil wasn't even the bad guy in this game...
some folks say DMC4 is filled with plot holes, but in the contrary DMC4 did not finish its story and DmC is actualy filled with MANY plot holes.


DmC's story is clearly not meant to be a 1 off.
This game has plot holes for the same reasons as DMC4, it was meant to be continued.
The issue with DMC4s plot holes is how it's plot holes just added to the multitude of plot holes that were spread across the 3 previous games.
DmC just has plot holes in one title with the implied intentions of a sequel to help flesh things out (whether we get this sequel on the other hand....), however, DMC4, while suppose to get a sequel, whether or not it would've solved any of the plotholes is up in the air, since DMC4 didn't explain any of the plot holes from the previous DMCs (And cause Nero was only confirmed to "show up" in future DMCs game and was never confirmed to be the protagonist of the future DMC games) and simply added more to the fold.
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