ITT: I fix the story

#81RayconPosted 3/21/2013 2:33:21 PM
SSJ_Jin posted...
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Actually you did.

SSJ_Jin posted...
And yes, this could be a DMC3 prequel. Dante fighting demons? Shown in DmC. Vergil being power hungry? Shown in DmC. Demons in the world? Shown in DmC. That's all there is to it.


Actually I didn't.

And yes, this could be a DMC3 prequel

I said nothing about how this is a prequel to DMC3

Reading comprehension is your friend. Also, the initial statement was due to the TC saying no to this:

Whether you want to admit it or not, with a few minor twerks this could easily be the prequel to DMC3, which it originally was going to be wasn't it?

Now that you've failed again miserably, you may either stop speaking or apologize for your antics.


You made a case saying a few "minor tweaks" suddenly make it a DMC3 prequel. The main character's heritage is not a "minor tweak" especially when the themes they espouse in both games rival each other instead of being compatible. You can continue being condescending if you like, just pointing out your mistake is all.


That is a minor tweak. You change angel to human. That's it. Second, I still never said it is a prequel to DMC3 like you claimed I did. That's strike three.


You said DmC could be a DMC3 prequel. I pointed out the main character's heritage is completely different from the rest of the DMC universe. And you went on to say I had no idea what I was talking about. You can't simply "tweak" that out of the game; it's very fully integrated. To the point where his heritage as half demon/angel plays a vital role in the game's story.

This is not compatible with DMC where being half-human plays an equally vital role. They are simply not compatible. Seeing as how both games are made, there is nothing to "tweak" that can fix anything at this point to make the two possible in the same universe. Unless you're implying Capcom is going to rain down a patch to change all angel references to human, but I would be tempted to call you deluded if you actually believed that.

Honestly, I'm not seeing what is so hard to grasp about this. The two can't co-exist; I'm not sure why you keep implying they could. Though I honestly think it's better that way. Many pros and antis would agree.
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#82SSJ_JinPosted 3/21/2013 2:34:05 PM
FireMage7777 posted...
And change Mundas' death. And Vergil's origin. And negate the DMC3 manga


Whether you want to admit it or not, with a few minor twerks this could easily be the prequel to DMC3, which it originally was going to be wasn't it?

See the "s"? That's what what is referred to as plural.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plural

Btw, you really shouldn't follow MGS since you haven't already. You'd probably have a heart attack at all the things that get retconned, especially from Metal Gear Solid 4.

And anyway, why you are trying to turn this into a prequel or not? Hiding from the fact that DmC fleshes out Vergil more than DMC3 does? The original point still stands, TC.
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#83FireMage7777(Topic Creator)Posted 3/21/2013 2:35:48 PM
SSJ_Jin posted...
FireMage7777 posted...
And change Mundas' death. And Vergil's origin. And negate the DMC3 manga


Whether you want to admit it or not, with a few minor twerks this could easily be the prequel to DMC3, which it originally was going to be wasn't it?

See the "s"? That's what what is referred to as plural.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plural

Btw, you really shouldn't follow MGS since you haven't already. You'd probably have a heart attack at all the things that get retconned, especially from Metal Gear Solid 4.

And anyway, why you are trying to turn this into a prequel or not? Hiding from the fact that DmC fleshes out Vergil more than DMC3 does? The original point still stands, TC.


You should look up what minor means then

You started this, not me. And it doesn't
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#84SSJ_JinPosted 3/21/2013 2:40:32 PM
Raycon posted...
You said DmC could be a DMC3 prequel. I pointed out the main character's heritage is completely different from the rest of the DMC universe.


Only difference is angel and human.

And you went on to say I had no idea what I was talking about.

No you went on to say I said DmC is the prequel to DMC3. Never did.

Unless you're implying Capcom is going to rain down a patch to change all angel references to human, but I would be tempted to call you deluded if you actually believed that.

I don't think you understand how retcon works. If DmC actually kept its intention, and let's assume they go with the angel idea, all the other DMC games would be retconned to the angel thing, not the other way around.

And call me deluded. I call you ignorant. Metal Gear Solid 4. 'Nuff said. Resident Evil. 'Nuff said. Just gave you two examples where some major things get changed however they see fit.

Honestly, I'm not seeing what is so hard to grasp about this. The two can't co-exist; I'm not sure why you keep implying they could. Though I honestly think it's better that way. Many pros and antis would agree.

Honestly you're the one having issues on this. The whole point was how DmC fleshed out the characters more than DMC3, and the background could even be used for DMC3 if tweaked a bit. You then have turned this into, "DmC can't be a prequel" because the original point cannot be debated.
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#85SSJ_JinPosted 3/21/2013 2:42:53 PM
FireMage7777 posted...
SSJ_Jin posted...
FireMage7777 posted...
And change Mundas' death. And Vergil's origin. And negate the DMC3 manga


Whether you want to admit it or not, with a few minor twerks this could easily be the prequel to DMC3, which it originally was going to be wasn't it?

See the "s"? That's what what is referred to as plural.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plural

Btw, you really shouldn't follow MGS since you haven't already. You'd probably have a heart attack at all the things that get retconned, especially from Metal Gear Solid 4.

And anyway, why you are trying to turn this into a prequel or not? Hiding from the fact that DmC fleshes out Vergil more than DMC3 does? The original point still stands, TC.


You should look up what minor means then

You started this, not me. And it doesn't


So by stating your whole issue is one word, you admit then I was right. Thought so. And I didn't start this. I destroyed your topic and you got mad and said, "You're wrong, I'm right, next ****ing case." An anti comes along and now your clinging on to him.

Pssst, here's a hint. Just because another person is on your side doesn't mean you're right.
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#86YaBreakinYoNeckPosted 3/21/2013 2:46:24 PM
FireMage7777 posted...
SSJ_Jin posted...
FireMage7777 posted...
And change Mundas' death. And Vergil's origin. And negate the DMC3 manga


Whether you want to admit it or not, with a few minor twerks this could easily be the prequel to DMC3, which it originally was going to be wasn't it?

See the "s"? That's what what is referred to as plural.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plural

Btw, you really shouldn't follow MGS since you haven't already. You'd probably have a heart attack at all the things that get retconned, especially from Metal Gear Solid 4.

And anyway, why you are trying to turn this into a prequel or not? Hiding from the fact that DmC fleshes out Vergil more than DMC3 does? The original point still stands, TC.


You should look up what minor means then

You started this, not me. And it doesn't


Oh don't worry, let me fix it for him then:

Whether you want to admit it or not, with a few twerks this could easily be the prequel to DMC3, which it originally was going to be wasn't it?

There we go, problem solved. Looks like the statement is still right, but eh, doesn't matter.
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#87FireMage7777(Topic Creator)Posted 3/21/2013 2:46:41 PM
SSJ_Jin posted...
FireMage7777 posted...
SSJ_Jin posted...
FireMage7777 posted...
And change Mundas' death. And Vergil's origin. And negate the DMC3 manga


Whether you want to admit it or not, with a few minor twerks this could easily be the prequel to DMC3, which it originally was going to be wasn't it?

See the "s"? That's what what is referred to as plural.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plural

Btw, you really shouldn't follow MGS since you haven't already. You'd probably have a heart attack at all the things that get retconned, especially from Metal Gear Solid 4.

And anyway, why you are trying to turn this into a prequel or not? Hiding from the fact that DmC fleshes out Vergil more than DMC3 does? The original point still stands, TC.


You should look up what minor means then

You started this, not me. And it doesn't


So by stating your whole issue is one word, you admit then I was right. Thought so. And I didn't start this. I destroyed your topic and you got mad and said, "You're wrong, I'm right, next ****ing case." An anti comes along and now your clinging on to him.

Pssst, here's a hint. Just because another person is on your side doesn't mean you're right.


No I'm playing your game. Changing character's entire backstories and having Mundas dead are not MINOR changes. You also haven't destroyed my topic...
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#88RayconPosted 3/21/2013 2:47:35 PM
SSJ_Jin posted...
Raycon posted...
You said DmC could be a DMC3 prequel. I pointed out the main character's heritage is completely different from the rest of the DMC universe.


Only difference is angel and human.


Which is a pretty huge difference...


I don't think you understand how retcon works. If DmC actually kept its intention, and let's assume they go with the angel idea, all the other DMC games would be retconned to the angel thing, not the other way around.


Considering the abysmal progress this game has made in the Hack and Slash market, it the series goes any direction, it's back to the old DMC. Which would require a rewrite of everything in DmC just to make it compatible. Seeing as how this game sold terribly as it is, I doubt Capcom would expend the resources for that alone, and would find it much easier to write out it's existence completely.

These are two VERY different themes in the plot; you can't simply mash them and expect it to work. For whatever reason you're having a hard time understanding that a complete story overhaul is NOT a simple "tweak."

And call me deluded. I call you ignorant. Metal Gear Solid 4. 'Nuff said. Resident Evil. 'Nuff said. Just gave you two examples where some major things get changed however they see fit.


We're not talking about those series, we're talking about DMC. No matter what series it happens in, it's not good storytelling, so I'm not sure what you're point with that was.


Honestly you're the one having issues on this. The whole point was how DmC fleshed out the characters more than DMC3, and the background could even be used for DMC3 if tweaked a bit. You then have turned this into, "DmC can't be a prequel" because the original point cannot be debated.


But you can't tweak it. You would have to overhaul DmC's entire plot (even DMC's to explain the whole "tears are human gift" if Dante is suddenly no longer human).

And my point was always DmC cannot be a prequel. The only point I challenged you on was this, ever since you brought it up. So I don't know who you think is arguing everything else, cause it's not me.
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#89StrelokPosted 3/21/2013 2:49:09 PM
There is also the issue of DINO clearly being in his twenties, the worlds being nothing alike, DINO being way *WAY* weaker than DMC3 Dante, the totally different look on the weapons, the different fighting styles, how Dante got money for the shop to begin with, etc etc etc etc.
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#90Dathrowed1Posted 3/21/2013 2:59:42 PM
FireMage7777 posted...
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I'm doing no such thing, you're just trolling

Your last paragraph has no point. Then again, trolls rarely do


Yes you are, by saying that Vergil doesn't recognize that humanity is what made his father the way he was you are making him look dumb.

Yeah no point, other than our villain is not the deep tragic protagonist you want him to be. I see you can only call people trolls when they don't agree with your opinions. Face it, the plot Dante has to save the world from demons is shallow. There is no deep philosophy to it, you just don't want to admit that something you like is shallow. Hey it is ok, I like the original DMC series too. Still I can recognize that it is standard for a B movie plot.


Actually it doesn't. Just because you say doesn't make it so

Did you just try and call Vergil the protagonist? That right there is grounds for ignoring what you have to say


You make grammatic mistakes all the time and expect to be taken seriously
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