This game's very existence is still baffling

#41rice_noodlesPosted 12/16/2013 10:53:55 AM(edited)
Inafune's blanket trolling.
http://www.destructoid.com/tgs-09-keiji-inafune-dumps-on-tokyo-game-show-2009-149909.phtml

That's the year of TGS with Bayo, Resonance of Fate, Nier, The Last Guardian, FF Type-0, Peace Walker, Valkyria Chronicles II, and MonHun 3 Tri. And what does he have at the show? Dead ****ing Rising 2.

He can go suck a ****.
#42DullahansXMarkPosted 12/16/2013 11:52:48 AM
There is a flaw with Inafune's line of thinking, though.

Western games don't sell more than Japanese games because they're made a certain way. They sell more because they appeal to their domestic audience, which has an exceedingly larger population.

I mean, let's think about this. Our western culture tends to glorify gun action in movies and games (which is ironic because of all the stupid gun control laws; let's not focus on that though), so our culture has a much higher affinity to games with gun action, hence people buy games like Halo, Call of Duty, and Battlefield. We also have an inexplicable fascination with Greek mythology, so games like God of War sell better here, too. However, if you look at said games' sales in Japan, I can assure you that chances are these games sell only moderately at best in comparison to other parts of the world.

Meanwhile in Japan (and, this entire paragraph is purely conjecture, so if I get some details wrong I apologize), anime has a very strong influence. Powerful martial artists unleashing spiritual energy on one another, dudes with wicked swords fighting in the sky, girls talking about everyday stuff in a way that's somehow entertaining... lots of stuff. The wild stuff that comes up in anime is probably largely why things like Bayonetta and Tales are as popular as they are over there. However, bring those things over to America, and they do have a bit more trouble selling. Is it because they're bad games? No! It's because people don't want to buy them because they don't appeal to them as much.

TL;DR: Japanese games sell better in Japan than they do in America. American games sell better in America than they do in Japan. But there are more people in America, so American games typically sell more because there's a larger potential group of buyers.
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#43Rising_shadowPosted 12/16/2013 12:20:16 PM
Well, there are other types of western influenced games that still sell. Silent Hill, Resident Evil, heck, even DMC is at its core very western.

Mallet Island is obviously european in design, Dante uses a broadsword, two handguns, stuff like shotguns, grenade launchers, Mundus resembles an angel in his statue form (Obviously playing off on the idea of Lucifer being a fallen angel.). Even Nelo Angelo uses a very large zweihander. There's very little of anything obviously Japanese in DMC barring some enemy designs and Yamato. There's no concept of power levels or energy beam spam or ki attacks or magic. Dante is over the top but never in a way that screams "This is so japanese.". Every Dante's missile surfing scene has a western counterpart in Doctor Strangelove. There's no japanese fashion, weapons, voice acting, cultural references... Even in DMC3 the city's design is obviously western and the Temen-ni Gru seems to be somewhat patterned on the leaning tower and other european designs.

The question is, who is the moron who thinks DMC is anime like when everything about it is so obviously western influenced. Even the archetype for Dante, Cobra, was a blonde, smoking, one armed man who went on pulp style adventures.
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#44ufaraPosted 12/16/2013 1:04:37 PM
Wasn't Cobra also based off a French actor?


As for DMC being anime, it still has touched of Japanese story telling, especially 3 and 4.

I always viewed them more as a mix of the two more than anything.



But God forbid if it isn't solely western anymore.
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#45Psychochild27Posted 12/16/2013 3:09:42 PM(edited)
There's no concept of power levels or energy beam spam or ki attacks or magic.


Drive says 'sup.

Also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmJzmO0JeMM

"He defeated the Phantom. Incredible power!"

Anyway, there's tons of crazy Japanese touches in the combat with all kinds of anime influences scattered throughout. Look at DMC1; while western games and action movies would emphasize brutality or a great deal of physical exertion to drive home a "quick" kill, Dante's critical hit opportunities which give him one-shot opportunities are that appear effortless and fairly elegant in their simplicity/efficiency.

Parry a sword, take a step to the left, shoot the staggered Sin Scissor in the face. Jump up and over the spear head of the Shadow to land on its outstretched neck and unload. Flip a Blade onto its back and Helmbreaker its belly. Air Hike waaaaay above Phantom and Helmbreaker with pin point precision onto his back. These are all things that visually may as well be climactic combat panels in a manga or the conclusion of a anime battle that blew it's entire animation budget like thirty seconds prior to the killing blow.

Meanwhile, Kratos over there is agonizingly climbing up the back of a troll using his blades to scale up its body, swinging around over its face, reaching into its eye socket and tearing out the eye or tearing off a parasite's arm so as to then drive it right through said parasite. It's outright excessive.
#46Rising_shadowPosted 12/16/2013 3:13:10 PM
Drive is more like a wind blade or something. Though of course, Dante can shoot lightning from his hands in Devil Trigger so don't much care either way.
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#47Psychochild27Posted 12/16/2013 4:01:45 PM(edited)
Rising_shadow posted...
Drive is more like a wind blade or something. Though of course, Dante can shoot lightning from his hands in Devil Trigger so don't much care either way.


http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100503045452/devilmaycry/images/7/78/DMC4_Drive.jpg

He's literally channeling his energy into the sword. Even if you ignore the animation where you see lightning shooting out of the sword, the blade and the projectile in DMC4 are very similar in color to his charge shots which, yes, is canonically Dante channeling energy into his guns.
#48Rising_shadowPosted 12/16/2013 4:27:04 PM
Yeah, demon energy.
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