Lucifer appreciation topic.

#51jayganautPosted 2/2/2014 12:43:26 PM
Sorry for the double post but I made a little Lucifer combo based around the Ecstasy glitch,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVa_vTV5cfs

I was going to edit my post but apparently I'm not allowed now >.<
#52Psychochild27Posted 2/2/2014 2:21:20 PM(edited)

Also a quick question for you Psycho, sometimes when I JC really close to the ground my follow up attack doesn't come out and I just end up jumping. I know it's not a bad input or anything as I never have any problems in other situations, it just tends to be when I'm really low (around chest height on a scarecrow) Is that normal? I'm beginning to think it's something to do with my set-up like there's some lag somewhere.


When you say JC really close to the ground, are we talking like doing an empty hop out of nothing, then trying to do an air attack and JC that?

If so, it's likely both a case of rushed/bad inputs for Rebellion, Yamato, Buster/Snatch, Red Queen's Aerial Rave and Gilgamesh. Remember in DMC3 you could generally get any air attack as low to the ground as long as you made two very clean inputs with your jump and melee button (No sliding!). DMC4 still has this as a requirement from what I can tell but for the weapons/attacks above, it seems Capcom added a weird nerf where a certain amount of frames need to pass between releasing the jump and hitting the melee/style button before it'll register as a proper attack which is why sometimes the minimum height seems inconsistent - If you hold jump for too long and try to attack in the same spot in the air vs. the super soft tap it won't come out.

Funny enough and totally on-topic for this thread, Lucifer doesn't suffer from either problem. You can slide from jump and melee all day and it'll come out regardless of height every time. Same goes for all the gun normal attacks (Which is a buff from DMC3 where you needed clean inputs) and Royal Guard. Sky Stars don't have a minimal height, but they do require clean inputs to get low sky stars (which you can easily get so low to the ground they may as well be a dash) as does Red Queen's Split which makes Split pretty rad as a alternative to revving.
#53jayganautPosted 2/2/2014 2:32:27 PM
Psychochild27 posted...

Also a quick question for you Psycho, sometimes when I JC really close to the ground my follow up attack doesn't come out and I just end up jumping. I know it's not a bad input or anything as I never have any problems in other situations, it just tends to be when I'm really low (around chest height on a scarecrow) Is that normal? I'm beginning to think it's something to do with my set-up like there's some lag somewhere.


When you say JC really close to the ground, are we talking like doing an empty hop out of nothing, then trying to do an air attack and JC that?

If so, it's likely both a case of rushed/bad inputs for Rebellion, Yamato, Buster/Snatch, Red Queen's Aerial Rave and Gilgamesh. Remember in DMC3 you could generally get any air attack as low to the ground as long as you made two very clean inputs with your jump and melee button (No sliding!). DMC4 still has this as a requirement from what I can tell but for the weapons/attacks above, it seems Capcom added a weird nerf where a certain amount of frames need to pass between releasing the jump and hitting the melee/style button before it'll register as a proper attack which is why sometimes the minimum height seems inconsistent - If you hold jump for too long and try to attack in the same spot in the air vs. the super soft tap it won't come out.

Funny enough and totally on-topic for this thread, Lucifer doesn't suffer from either problem. You can slide from jump and melee all day and it'll come out regardless of height every time. Same goes for all the gun normal attacks (Which is a buff from DMC3 where you needed clean inputs) and Royal Guard. Sky Stars don't have a minimal height, but they do require clean inputs to get low sky stars (which you can easily get so low to the ground they may as well be a dash) as does Red Queen's Split which makes Split pretty rad as a alternative to revving.



Ah that will be what it is then, cheers man. Good to know it's an error on my end that I can fix rather than something technical.

I'll work on making the inputs cleaner in those cases. I do tend to slip slide all over the place!
#54SBK91Posted 2/2/2014 2:40:11 PM
Which is a buff from DMC3 where you needed clean inputs

Never tried it with E&I or Artemis, but the Shotgun was piss easy, and nice in that Dante moved independently of the shot.
#55BlackSheepWallsPosted 2/2/2014 2:49:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxWYlCiXp5s

much better even though the player is not sooo skilled
#56Psychochild27Posted 2/2/2014 3:25:53 PM

Ah that will be what it is then, cheers man. Good to know it's an error on my end that I can fix rather than something technical.

I'll work on making the inputs cleaner in those cases. I do tend to slip slide all over the place!


A good rule of thumb with the camera behind Dante from a very light tap to get used to spacing your jump-melee inputs out - You basically want to get the melee input when Dante's hands are over his head kinda like Mega Man, but before he tucks his head down. That's the sweet spot from a very light tap.
#57Psychochild27Posted 2/8/2014 8:56:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGMxVWCT-8s#t=33

All the Lucifer Love.
#58ZeroX07Posted 2/8/2014 9:17:00 PM
Psychochild27 posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGMxVWCT-8s#t=33

All the Lucifer Love.


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vvndA87ZLK8&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvvndA87ZLK8

Nah son, this is.
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#59Psychochild27Posted 2/9/2014 3:01:41 AM
ZeroX07 posted...
Psychochild27 posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGMxVWCT-8s#t=33

All the Lucifer Love.


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vvndA87ZLK8&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvvndA87ZLK8

Nah son, this is.


Needs more Climax.

/That's one of my recent favorites otherwise. Thought I posted it before in here.