DmC 2 or devil may cry 5?

#451SBK91Posted 6/10/2014 10:31:00 PM
Considering you used a wiki as well

I quoted something that was paraphrased by a character and several examples of feats. You quoted pure speculation that contradicts what's shown in game. They are considerably different.

Considering that had it been in compliance with your argument you would have used it first?

If it was a quote from a game file, yes. But it wasn't.

Considering that this is a blatant double standard

What double standard? It is apparent Jeanne is very, very far away during the summoning, that she is not seen nor heard, and that duets are never mentioned in Bayonetta, whereas the Stand's limitations are mentioned in canon, as well as the examples of him needing to act to use his power.

that you refuse to accept the Youtube link that proves that Jeanne helped Bayonetta,

What link? That shows the hair was white? Bayonetta can change her hair's color at will, no?

it is decided that not only does GER negate all of Sora's and Bayonetta's abilities,

Based on the opposite being the case as mentioned in canon? So because you can't cite properly, you believe this invalidates my proper use of a wiki?

but that Sheba cannot be summoned unless Jeanne is present.

Sheba was summoned without Jeanne present in canon.

Also you lose a gold star.

What's with shiny sticker obsession? It doesn't advance your argument or your knowledge.

Your argument?

Your 'tactics'. Why do you hate that which is effective? You rooting for Dante because he's worse?

But you did not mention it.

Something entirely irrelevant to you not use one of the best abilities in the series that is available in regular play?

Cute ignorance "fuelled" assumption.

Now now, Gunnery. Mind the terms.

It doesn't fit my playstyle

Of playing badly?

and I didn't.

Explain why it doesn't work in your playstyle? You never gave a good reason other than 'mash buttons'.

I do.

By having only used it once and never again? How is that 'using' it?

And why do you depend on it?

I depend on all my tools when they contribute to my ability to kill efficiently. Why wouldn't I?

That is why I'm here, to teach you.

How Trinity works? Do tell.

Mine is flexible

Lacking any ground in reality would let you go in any direction, that is correct.

your is full of holes

Like 'you should use the tools the game gives you to their potential'?

For example you constant whining over me not using Trinity.

I am constant whining?

because

Is this the beginning of a new sentence? If so, why is it not capitalized?

it doesn't make them scrubs

No, refusing to excellent abilities for silly reasons like disliking the name or wanting to only mash buttons does.

whining about it does.

You consider all those who seek to better you 'whiners'? No wonder you remain a casual.
#452SBK91Posted 6/10/2014 10:31:47 PM
I never said where I used it

What does that have to do with only using it once? How does that make it the strongest attack in the game?

my style changes on my mood.

But never enough to deviate from terrible tactics.

I don't limit myself to physical only against mobs

You mean Aero, the spell that doesn't do anything offensively for 80% of the game, and requires you to close the distance instead of nuking everything to death faster?

I don't use Ragnarok against mobs.

It's even worse against bosses. If you would only play higher difficulties, you wouldn't need to stick to bad abilities to give the game some semblance of challenge.

Honor is fickle.

Which is why you should ignore it. Play the right way, as the devs intended.

And I would ask you the same.

When do I restrict myself to silly conditions outside challenge runs?

Nope, but apparently you do.

By knowing better than to bother with physical attacks against mobs?

Maybe, but it does allow me to use them should I be bored.

But you don't use them. Why not give them a shot? Can't be less stimulating than mashing X all the time.

That your name is Stitch?

That you explained what he did mechanically prior to the post noting you did so.

What deflection?

Is there something you're trying to hide (other than your lack of KH, DMC, and DC knowledge)?

Wynaut.

Was that a question? If so, where was the question mark?

Unless I'm referring to the Fire Bomber song.

Which you weren't.

All of which needs to be initiated at normal time?

Neither do. Which part of 'magic' aren't you understanding?

Yeah, Sora is dead before he can use Genie.

He could start the fight dead and still crush Supes.

Sora is 60 feet under.

How? Supes somehow ignored Reflect, time manipulation, Once More, Second Chance, and Genie magic? The last of which contradicts canon?

So Sora can cast magic while dead?

How was he killed? Through his invincible barrier? His death immunities?

Well that is never shown in the games,

Neither is Supes ignoring absolute defenses or time stop.

Yeah, they could have been fighting in a planet made of kryptonite, next to a red sun and Superman could be depressed.

And why wouldn't they? Perhaps Sora would feel conservative with his cosmic power access that day.

I think Sora can kill him if any of those 3 conditions were met.

They were all met (and more).

If by fast you mean slow, then yes.

I didn't. Why are you trying to change what you stated?

So it's agreed that Superman kills Sora

How? Physical force isn't sufficient to stop him from acting even if he stood there and tanked it. And once he gets to fight, the fight's over.

then proceeds to kill Xehanort.

Xehanort wrecked a cosmos. Supes proper can't compete with that.

Superman's speed in comparison's to Sora's?

Sora's relative to Supes.

Yeah, it is.

How is a finite number infinitely greater than a nonzero number?
#453SBK91Posted 6/10/2014 10:32:39 PM
So Genie is in Bayonetta as well?

Of course not. Jube is.

Lol.

You didn't again.

So a sentence is not a sentence?

When it isn't a sentence? Why would it be?

Sora?

Supes. Never stood a chance.

But don't worry, I'm sure they will bring him back, somehow.

Casualty breaking magic works wonders.

And all of those need to be cast in real time

Which still makes them instantaneous, and no, they do not have to be cast in 'real time'.

while Sora is thinking about them

Why is he thinking about them? Why wouldn't he automatically throw out Reflect to start on instinct?

he's dead.

How is Supes penetrating Second Chance and Once More again?

And they aren't instant, if they were then the game would have been over already.

What does instant magic have to do with ending the game?

Sometimes.

Like just then?

I did.

So why did you try to hide that fact?

And being needing to be summoned is a limitation.

What does needing to be summoned have to do with the capacity of Genie's wish granting?

I did confirm it.

No, you didn't. You didn't provide a single example of someone in canon stuck in the loop who was near death to begin with.

"Fate worse than Death" is never ending death.

And how is the Stand initially inflicting death on Sora? It is not part of his powerset.

Well there's your problem.

That I don't care about things irrelevant to the discussion?

Correct, which is why I amended my statement after reviewing Volume 17.

So more bluffing, got it.

They show cutscenes show that they're not instant.

Do provide cutscenes showing the summons, Reflect, and time manipulation other than Stop isn't instantaneous.

Whose weapon's speed is the same as summoning a stand.

It is not. Like your flawed comparison with Supes, Sora processes information and acts much faster than Giornie, before he could begin to summon the Stand he'd be vivisected.

GER can negate that freeze

Based on the Stand having limits, Lethal Frame not, and the Stand being inferior to a time manipulator?

Sora would need permission to try and cast.

Based on his superior speed and reaction time?

He is with Giorno,

So Sora threw the fight?

Yours?

No. Why else would I be teacher?

I know Sora is your ultra special Gary Stu,

He isn't, but good nice try with the ad hominem.

but he's dead

Since when? Certainly not in canon. And the Stand's power does not kill on it's own.

Incorrect, Giorno thinks it has limits since he doesn't understand the scale of what GER does.

So you're claiming a character in canon who makes a statement that is never contradicted and uses the power as part of his arsenal is wrong based on the fact he isn't tops in his own series. Outstanding rebuttal.

Neither do you apparently.

What I understand is one is absolute, and the other (the Stand) is not. Guess who wins?
#454SBK91Posted 6/10/2014 10:33:23 PM
Don

Is not a verb.

And as to how he does it, mere presence.

Is not enough. He must act, as noted in canon, and by that point neither of them exist anymore.

Which is not instantaneous

It is. If you have any evidence to the contrary, feel free to provide it.

nor effective against GER.

Magic girls make a mockery of him, and guess what Sora wished himself into?

Which isn't instantaneous.

Are you really going for the Big Lie?

Good thing it isn't.

So we agree the Stand the must act then to use its power. How is it accomplishing anything again?

Negation of Cause and Effect is a pretty significant ability.

Too bad it has limits (unlike Genie).

More than anything Sora has outside of Genie.

Which is a better trick, and unlike Giornie, Sora has potent tricks of his own.

Considering you refuse them,

Refuting is not refusing. How else could I correct your wrong ideas about canon?

it wouldn't matter if I showed dozens of examples.

If they were all wrong, no, it wouldn't. Why not give it a shot? Let's start with just one.

So heavily implied,

By Jeanne being millions of miles away?

that in the movie it was canon.

Which isn't canon to the game (the source).

And the game shows that as well.

The game does show Jeanne, nor do we hear her chanting.

In the video I showed you Jeanne helped her.

By not showing or hinting of her presence in anyway?

I didn't.

So QS wasn't a bluff then?

And everything is silly.

How does that change you forgetting and going back on your own statements?

He initiates the control in normal time.

Which is inconsistent with Riku defeating high level time manipulator, and a non-issue with Genie.

Beats rock.

And Sora beats Supes.

Cutscene show that it takes time.

The cutscene that shows Barrier? I thought you agreed it didn't?

Except it's the center of the city that is closest to Paradiso, home of hundreds of angels and the supposedly last Lumen Sage.

And isn't magical in the slightest. The portal came from Bayonetta's own power, and is therefore fair game.
#455SBK91Posted 6/10/2014 10:34:19 PM
How sure are you that it's on her own power?

Because it is never implied the rock was special in any way, she constantly creates portals, and her crest glows while making it.

The cutscene doesn't imply that.

It doesn't show anyone or anything helping her. The rock was normal (as she had already passed through it on her way in) and Balder blew it off nonchalantly.

Your answers.

Which you naturally have a specific and well supported example of. Care to share?

On you in particular?

You placed your lesser knowledge on me?

I have.

Citing a name and linking to a page that has nothing to do with canon is not being specific.

What a Kingdom Key only run in KH1 and 2?

Low level runs. Explain yourself.

That isn't the question.

That is the question. Why are you incapable of elaborating on anything? If you don't know, just say so.

You never specified.

To be thorough and efficient? Is this desirable for any sort of coverage?

And I have explained why, all bosses should die alone.

Why? Even when it puts the player at a disadvantage? What of WoC1? You going to waste time chasing down those lesser enemies and ignoring his very few openings? Or Hook? Going to be going after the ship instead of nuking him to death?

At losing?

At clearing the fight.

So mid-boss=boss according to you.

Given it is a boss, what is the issue?

Already answered those.

Where? You only noted something vague about attacking it's hands and jumping. Your inability to clearly express your ideas holds back even your run coverage.

Once again you fail to read.

What did I fail to read? That you don't use excellent abilities that would get you better, safer, and reproducible results over something slow and risky?

So that you don't feel crushed.

Don't worry about me, I have thick skin. So you can drop the feigned ignorance and get to the coverage proper.

Yet, I'm the one giving you class.

You're teaching how to play KH wrong?

World Cup is more interesting.

But that wasn't what was promised. A man is only as good as his word.

However I already covered that.

Two sentences that can be applied to have the fights in the game isn't covering anything.

To the question.

And was inadequate. I'm giving you the chance to fix your mistake and try again.

To give you more help.

You don't need help when you're winning.

It's Superman vs. Sora.

Who can summon Genie, who can break casualty. GG Supes.

But I'm not talking about effectiveness.

Yet claim you're not a scrub. Weird.

Because I don't play like you do?

Play well? Apparently not. KH1 Ragnarok against bosses, of all the bad ideas.

KH1 FM has a higher level than Proud?

Proud is a difficulty, not a level.

If anything I was under leveled.

If she isn't taking over half your health with each hit, you're overlevelled.

Whichever I prefer to use outside of Gravity and Stop.

Those are the best ones. Why are you trying to sabotage yourself? You find it fun to try and connect with the piss weak and inaccurate Fire/Blizzard?
#456SBK91Posted 6/10/2014 10:35:19 PM
Ether's and MP gift.

Why are you spending money on something when you can get a much better alternative for free?

And Beast is beefier than Donald.

And deals negligible damage. You should trade both those slackers for Summons.

Wow. Wynaut.

Because you'd die, and fail the fight.

Not for me.

Final Mix+ exists independently of you. There is no 'not for me'.

But that doesn't mean that I don't use him.

No, just that you use him less than the inferior Form. Know what he does?

I already explained why.

Your preference for mechanically worse abilities?

second one is wrong

You remapped Attack to a different button?

the third one is 50% correct.

Are you claiming Trinity is inferior to physical attacks against mobs?

Or have you forgotten Kingdom Come?

Kingdom Come isn't mainstream canon. No different than citing Prime.

Though seriously, would you prefer that I say Stopga?

I'd prefer you'd refer to the proper abilities, Teleport and Lethal Frame's variant.

Before.

The beginning of the fight? You giving Supes potshots? Not that it would matter.

Are you referring to Reaction Commands?

No.

It isn't instant.

It stops everything from before the bubble is even formed. It is.

The one it takes to cast a spell.

They don't have one.

Nearly instant does not equal instant.

Good thing it's truly instant in Sora's case.

And you admit that his magic is crap.

About as crap as Bayonetta's destructive power in comparison to Dante's.

Actually, he does have a high amount of magic powered strength.

He has no more than a normal human.

Less than, say Captain Marvel, but it is there.

And negligible in comparison to Sora's.
#457SBK91Posted 6/10/2014 10:35:41 PM
And assuming that Superman wouldn't dodge a Keyblade.

He's not dodging anything in a time stop.

Time stop needs to be initiated in normal time,

It does not.

absolute defense (reflect) isn't instant

Based on it being portrayed as instant protection in all canon showings?

reality warping requires a summon and that takes time.

That clause contradicts itself.

The part where Rikku isn't Sora

They are equals, with Sora having the advantage.

Genie needs to be summoned.

Which isn't an issue at all.

So Superman can't decapitate Sora?

Not if he starts farther than an inch from death.

Why?

Second Chance/Once More.

Also stays.

Pan is capable of reversing this, let alone Genie. It's less than a hiccup.

Superman beats Sora.

If Sora is aiming to lose. Otherwise, the boy with the keyblade takes it as easily as Vegeta against Goku.

In your wishes.

In his wishes. Which is all that matters in this 'fight'.

Once again you prove that you fail to read my arguments.

Once again you imply you've explained something you haven't in an attempt to distract from the fact there is nothing Dante can do Bayonetta doesn't do as well or much better.

And space.

So how is Supes winning?

Except that he is dead

How? You've never elaborated on how Supes is bypassing his pass death immunities and what not. I'm starting to think you can't.

RG has Just Block.

And what does that have to do with the amount of damage his body is capable of tanking before exploding spectacularly?

Why do you think Superman has 2 hands?

He could have a trillion hands, and it wouldn't stop Sora from being able to act. You do know how Once More works, right?

Learn what?

Game mechanics. Could save you a lot of frustration.

How to spam the most powerful attack?

You still believe Trinity to be the most powerful?

Sora's thoughts aren't instantaneous.

What does that have to do with his magic (which is what you were arguing against)?

GER? Always.

Then you should have no issue citing an example from canon where he acts without being called or nearby.

Yet, you keep makings allusions her.

When have I mentioned or alluded to her? Riku is just a poor lead as she.

Why would I want to learn about Vanquish?

Because it's a great game that gets better the more you know.
#458Teh_FacepawnchPosted 6/10/2014 11:20:09 PM
GET DOWN TO THE SOUND, GET DOWN TO THE SOUND, GET DOWN TO THE SOUND TO THE SOUND
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#459OracleGunnerPosted 6/11/2014 4:01:31 AM
I am more than aware it was settled Bayonetta crushes Dante and Sora crushes Supes. Why you keep bringing them up baffles me.

Yet you've failed to prove either one of those claims time and time again.

You were missing a word.

Bird.

I understand you keep vague as you lack the means to confront what I'm saying directly.

What's so vague about Sora is dead before he can try and cast?

If it was, why would you use it?

Because I can. Do I need a better reason?

You never stopped bluffing?

That would imply starting.

I don't have to, as I didn't make the claim. So what made you conclude Torture Attacks where in any way similar to flash stepping?

I already said why.

So why didn't you recall the meteors?

Considering I brought them up...

Is that how I recalled those tiny, slow moving rocks? You didn't really believe they compared to nuclear weapon grade attacks, did you?

If they hit as hard as they should, yes.

He wouldn't have to. Find where it intersects and chop chop. Why didn't he do it, if he was as capable as you said? Why even bother uniting the amulets, and not cut a hole to the demon world himself?

He would if it intersected in the air. My claim was on Yamato, yours was on Vergil, get it right. For the same reason Genie hasn't turned Xehanort into a rock.

Wrong. Dante is younger than most demons he meets, but far stronger.

Implying Dante is a full demon. Are you sure you've played this series?

No, I'm saying some demons do not possess the magic other demons in other continuities do, which is perfectly logical.

But what does that have to do with Limbo not being available in a death match outside of Bayonetta's realm?

Have we not already been over that intangibility has nothing to do with Butterfly?

Considering that you said that he has the same powers, I think you need to replay Bayonetta.

Do you not understand how Bayonetta's magic works?

Taking this conversation into account, contract based.

Why would he care about either when he has superior versions available? We know angels and Lumen Sages can go intangible like Bayonetta and have a WT variant. Dante does not, which is why they can fight Bayonetta while Dante is helpless.

So according to you, Lumen>Umbra. Nice to see where you stand in that debate.

There is no 'if'. Bayonetta is more than capable of summoning Sheba on her own, and that's pretty well the end of Dante.

While factually incorrect, it is nice to see that you believe in it.

The ones she walks straight through.

You can do that IRL you know.

In any world. Her power is to cross over to Purgatorio. It doesn't where she is, she has access to it.

According to you Purgatorio is everywhere no matter what dimension. That is quite the claim, care to prove it?

The fact it makes no sense something she does of her own power without external assistance is somehow removed from the fight in order to make it remotely winnable for Dante?

Since that is false, I suppose I must reduce your score.
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#460OracleGunnerPosted 6/11/2014 4:29:28 AM
I quoted something that was paraphrased by a character and several examples of feats. You quoted pure speculation that contradicts what's shown in game. They are considerably different.

Yet somehow you managed to prove me right and yourself wrong.

If it was a quote from a game file, yes. But it wasn't.

Nope, you would have use it regardless.

What double standard? It is apparent Jeanne is very, very far away during the summoning, that she is not seen nor heard, and that duets are never mentioned in Bayonetta, whereas the Stand's limitations are mentioned in canon, as well as the examples of him needing to act to use his power.

Yet the magic bike in space exists, all the focus was on Bayonetta and no one had attempted one before. Yet the quote you use is a character's interpretation of what he believes, not the Stand's which is very different.

What link? That shows the hair was white? Bayonetta can change her hair's color at will, no?

The one I gave. It shows Jeanne's hair. Yes, but it was Jeanne's.

Based on the opposite being the case as mentioned in canon? So because you can't cite properly, you believe this invalidates my proper use of a wiki?

You mean where in the canon it states that "Whoever stands before me, no matter what ability he has will not be able to take action!" Because you can't read.

Sheba was summoned without Jeanne present in canon.

If by was you mean wasn't, that would make the sentence correct.

What's with shiny sticker obsession? It doesn't advance your argument or your knowledge.
What obsession? All it does is reward you for doing a good job.

Your 'tactics'. Why do you hate that which is effective? You rooting for Dante because he's worse?

Who says I do? And again you still fail to read.

Something entirely irrelevant to you not use one of the best abilities in the series that is available in regular play?

Yet it's the crux of this argument. Your failure to specify is quite odd.

Now now, Gunnery. Mind the terms.

Of?

Of playing badly?

Your mentality is that of a scrub at the moment, fix it.

Explain why it doesn't work in your playstyle? You never gave a good reason other than 'mash buttons'.

When did I say that I mashed buttons? As to why, I never found the use for it. I'm quite sure it would be useful in a speed run.

I depend on all my tools when they contribute to my ability to kill efficiently. Why wouldn't I?

So you don't use all your tools. And why would you?

How Trinity works? Do tell.

We've already been over this.

By having only used it once and never again? How is that 'using' it?

I used it.

Lacking any ground in reality would let you go in any direction, that is correct.

We're talking about my argument, not yours.

Like 'you should use the tools the game gives you to their potential'?

If you wish.

I am constant whining?

Constantly.

Is this the beginning of a new sentence? If so, why is it not capitalized?

Maybe. Grammatical error.

No, refusing to excellent abilities for silly reasons like disliking the name or wanting to only mash buttons does.

All reasons are silly.

You consider all those who seek to better you 'whiners'?

When they whine as much as you do, like a scrub and a casual.
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