DmC 2 or devil may cry 5?

#461OracleGunnerPosted 6/11/2014 5:23:26 AM(edited)
What does that have to do with only using it once? How does that make it the strongest attack in the game?

Situation. Damage.

But never enough to deviate from terrible tactics.

Yours?

You mean Aero, the spell that doesn't do anything offensively for 80% of the game, and requires you to close the distance instead of nuking everything to death faster?

Dalmatians are quicker than Hades Cup and who says I don't use the standard offensive spell barrage?

It's even worse against bosses. If you would only play higher difficulties, you wouldn't need to stick to bad abilities to give the game some semblance of challenge.

KH1 FM has Critical? Let me check... Nope. And who says I stick to Ragnarok?

Which is why you should ignore it. Play the right way, as the devs intended.

I do. Yet you seems to have a problem with it.

When do I restrict myself to silly conditions outside challenge runs?

All conditions are silly.

By knowing better than to bother with physical attacks against mobs?

If stating the obvious had levels, then you would be maxed out.

But you don't use them.
Trinity Limit? That is singular. I use all the other skills at my disposal.

That you explained what he did mechanically prior to the post noting you did so.

Time is relative.

Is there something you're trying to hide (other than your lack of KH, DMC, and DC knowledge)?

Considering you've yet to prove that I lack that, it's probably an ad hominem attack.

Was that a question? If so, where was the question mark?

No, that is a Pokémon.

Which you weren't.

Says who?

Neither do. Which part of 'magic' aren't you understanding?

What part of "needs to be activated in normal time" is illegible for you?

He could start the fight dead and still crush Supes.

In your dreams.

How? Supes somehow ignored Reflect, time manipulation, Once More, Second Chance, and Genie magic? The last of which contradicts canon?

By killing Sora. Not instantaneous, not instantaneous, second punch, third punch, wasn't summoned. How is not summoning Genie contradicting canon?

How was he killed? Through his invincible barrier? His death immunities?

Decapitation, asphyxiation, burning, frostbite, blunt force trauma or whatever Superman uses to kill him. Which wasn't activated on time. Which save him a few times, but they aren't enough.

Neither is Supes ignoring absolute defenses or time stop.

Too bad they were too slow.

And why wouldn't they?
Neutral field.

They were all met (and more).

In your dreams.

I didn't. Why are you trying to change what you stated?

That Superman can kill Sora? I haven't changed that.

How? Physical force isn't sufficient to stop him from acting even if he stood there and tanked it. And once he gets to fight, the fight's over.

I already said how.

How is a finite number infinitely greater than a nonzero number?

What are you talking about? Superman's speed in comparison to Sora's? Superman is faster.
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#462OracleGunnerPosted 6/11/2014 5:22:39 AM
You didn't again.

What? Give you a valid answer? Lol.

When it isn't a sentence? Why would it be?

But it is.

Never stood a chance.

Yup, Sora never stood a chance against Superman.

Which still makes them instantaneous, and no, they do not have to be cast in 'real time'.

Nope, they are needed to be cast in real time and they aren't instantaneous.

Why is he thinking about them? Why wouldn't he automatically throw out Reflect to start on instinct?

Because he isn't paranoid. Because Superman is faster than his instinct.

How is Supes penetrating Second Chance and Once More again?

A few more attacks.

What does instant magic have to do with ending the game?

A lot.

Like just then?

What?

So why did you try to hide that fact?

Not mentioning does not equal hiding. Get your priorities straight.

What does needing to be summoned have to do with the capacity of Genie's wish granting?

When Sora's summoning of him does not use it. If you want to add gameplay elements to this discussion do not ignore all of the summons ones.

No, you didn't.
I did.

And how is the Stand initially inflicting death on Sora? It is not part of his powerset.

Power over Cause and Effect>Sora=Sora's dead.

That I don't care about things irrelevant to the discussion?

Considering you've done the opposite, yeah.

So more bluffing, got it.

From you? Yup.

Do provide cutscenes showing the summons, Reflect, and time manipulation other than Stop isn't instantaneous.

You mean the videos that you already provided?

It is not. Like your flawed comparison with Supes, Sora processes information and acts much faster than Giornie, before he could begin to summon the Stand he'd be vivisected.

Not fast enough, not that it matters for GER.

Based on the Stand having limits, Lethal Frame not, and the Stand being inferior to a time manipulator?

Based on a one on one fight and that GER doesn't care about it.

Based on his superior speed and reaction time?

To GER?

So Sora threw the fight?

Nope, he died.

No. Why else would I be teacher?

Yet you're my student.

He isn't, but good nice try with the ad hominem.

Considering it applies.

Since when? Certainly not in canon. And the Stand's power does not kill on it's own.

Diavolo? He dies yet returns to zero, prohibiting him from enjoying true death.

So you're claiming a character in canon who makes a statement that is never contradicted and uses the power as part of his arsenal is wrong based on the fact he isn't tops in his own series. Outstanding rebuttal.

Nope, I'm saying that Giorno does not know GER completely and that is canon.

What I understand is one is absolute, and the other (the Stand) is not. Guess who wins?

In a one on one battle, GER.
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#463OracleGunnerPosted 6/11/2014 5:49:53 AM
Is not a verb.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/don

Is not enough. He must act, as noted in canon, and by that point neither of them exist anymore.

It is enough, as noted in canon.

It is. If you have any evidence to the contrary, feel free to provide it.

Why? You already provided it for me.

Magic girls make a mockery of him, and guess what Sora wished himself into?

So Sora is a girl now? Well that will bring ruin to the fanbase.

Are you really going for the Big Lie?

Nope, I leave those matters to you. Tell me a big lie.

So we agree the Stand the must act then to use its power. How is it accomplishing anything again?

If you consider mere presence an act, then yes. And power over cause and effect.

Too bad it has limits (unlike Genie).

Too bad Genie needs to be summoned.

Which is a better trick, and unlike Giornie, Sora has potent tricks of his own.

All of which are negated by GER.

Refuting is not refusing. How else could I correct your wrong ideas about canon?

While the first sentence is correct, the second one is wrong.

If they were all wrong, no, it wouldn't. Why not give it a shot? Let's start with just one.

Jeanne helps Bayonetta summon Sheba, as noted by her hair and magic.

By Jeanne being millions of miles away?

As if that matters to witches.

The game does show Jeanne, nor do we hear her chanting.

So you want the game to focus on Jeanne while Bayonetta fights Jubes?

By not showing or hinting of her presence in anyway?

So you're color blind?

So QS wasn't a bluff then?

You need a dictionary.

How does that change you forgetting and going back on your own statements?

The same way Bayonetta changes the color of her hair. Magic. :°)

Which is inconsistent with Riku defeating high level time manipulator, and a non-issue with Genie.

Yet we're talking about Sora, not Rikku. What is with your obsession with Rikku?

And Sora beats Supes.

How can he do that when he's dead?

And isn't magical in the slightest. The portal came from Bayonetta's own power, and is therefore fair game.

Yet it's not, since it shows limitations.

Because it is never implied the rock was special in any way, she constantly creates portals, and her crest glows while making it.

Yet those are dimensional, not time based. And I thought you said that it didn't matter.

It doesn't show anyone or anything helping her. The rock was normal (as she had already passed through it on her way in) and Balder blew it off nonchalantly.

Nor does it show that it's all on her own power. Besides she did need to go back into the past.

Which you naturally have a specific and well supported example of. Care to share?

I have. That you keep on refusing it is another matter.

You placed your lesser knowledge on me?

Considering I've had to correct you a few times already, I think that your knowledge has grown.
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#464OracleGunnerPosted 6/11/2014 6:16:43 AM
Citing a name and linking to a page that has nothing to do with canon is not being specific.

It is when I'm talking about the trope.

Low level runs. Explain yourself.

Don't fight everything and don't grind.

That is the question.
To be or not to be.

To be thorough and efficient? Is this desirable for any sort of coverage?

It is when you want to be thorough and efficient.

Why? Even when it puts the player at a disadvantage? What of WoC1? You going to waste time chasing down those lesser enemies and ignoring his very few openings? Or Hook? Going to be going after the ship instead of nuking him to death?

If that is the clause of the run, then sacrifices must be made.

Given it is a boss, what is the issue?

A mid boss isn't a boss.

Where? You only noted something vague about attacking it's hands and jumping. Your inability to clearly express your ideas holds back even your run coverage.

You want run coverage? Lol.

What did I fail to read? That you don't use excellent abilities that would get you better, safer, and reproducible results over something slow and risky?

A lot. Unless I'm speed running or in a hurry I will take my time and play with my foes.

Don't worry about me, I have thick skin. So you can drop the feigned ignorance and get to the coverage proper.

Of?

You're teaching how to play KH wrong?

Nah, that will be your class.

But that wasn't what was promised. A man is only as good as his word.

What was promised?

Two sentences that can be applied to have the fights in the game isn't covering anything.

I never said I would cover it well. If you haven't noticed I'm taking you cereally.

You don't need help when you're winning.

Correct, hence why I'm helping you catch up.

Who can summon Genie, who can break casualty.
If he get's the chance, which he wont.

Play well?
I do, what about you?

Proud is a difficulty, not a level.

It is a difficulty level.

If she isn't taking over half your health with each hit, you're overlevelled.

Then I was underleved.

Those are the best ones. Why are you trying to sabotage yourself? You find it fun to try and connect with the piss weak and inaccurate Fire/Blizzard?
Against Maleficent? Never connected well enough.

Why are you spending money on something when you can get a much better alternative for free?

Bambi? Or are you referring to elixirs?

And deals negligible damage. You should trade both those slackers for Summons.

I do.

Because you'd die, and fail the fight.

How?

Final Mix+ exists independently of you. There is no 'not for me'.

When it come to playstyles there is.

No, just that you use him less than the inferior Form. Know what he does?

Who? Little? Stitch? Specify.

Your preference for mechanically worse abilities?

What does preference have to do with usage?

You remapped Attack to a different button?

Why would I?

Are you claiming Trinity is inferior to physical attacks against mobs?

Nope.

The beginning of the fight? You giving Supes potshots? Not that it would matter.

Nope. You wish.
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#465OracleGunnerPosted 6/11/2014 6:37:02 AM
It stops everything from before the bubble is even formed. It is.

It isn't.

They don't have one.

Absolutes are very fickle. For example I can say Firaga and prove you wrong, but instead I will remind you that even if Sora's thought and reaction speed is fast, Superman's is faster.

Good thing it's truly instant in Sora's case.

Nope.

He has no more than a normal human.

He has more.

He's not dodging anything in a time stop.

Assuming Sora is casting a time stop.

It does not.

It does so.

Based on it being portrayed as instant protection in all canon showings?

Nearly instant.

That clause contradicts itself.

That summoning takes time? It does.

Which isn't an issue at all.

It is.

Not if he starts farther than an inch from death.

Once more states combo.

Second Chance/Once More.

Once More is combo dependent. So Second Chance would take priority, then the next hit kills him.

Pan is capable of reversing this, let alone Genie. It's less than a hiccup.

Assuming he summoned them.

In his wishes. Which is all that matters in this 'fight'.

Assuming he can summon Genie.

Once again you imply you've explained something you haven't in an attempt to distract from the fact there is nothing Dante can do Bayonetta doesn't do as well or much better.

Considering you refuse to read my previous argument I find no point in repeating it.

So how is Supes winning?

By killing Sora.

How? You've never elaborated on how Supes is bypassing his pass death immunities and what not. I'm starting to think you can't.

I have.

And what does that have to do with the amount of damage his body is capable of tanking before exploding spectacularly?

It negates the damage.

He could have a trillion hands, and it wouldn't stop Sora from being able to act. You do know how Once More works, right?

Asura vs. Sora will come next.

You still believe Trinity to be the most powerful?

Against mobs? Probably. My argument was that it was arguably the most powerful. Did you forget that?

What does that have to do with his magic (which is what you were arguing against)?

He needs to think before using it.

Then you should have no issue citing an example from canon where he acts without being called or nearby.

Considering he is always nearby and Requiem has a mind of it's own since volume 17.

When have I mentioned or alluded to her? Riku is just a poor lead as she.

Why?

Because it's a great game that gets better the more you know.

Maybe, I would need to rent it again.
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#466OracleGunnerPosted 6/11/2014 8:46:45 AM
SBK, did you see the Bayonetta 2 announcement at E3?
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#467OracleGunnerPosted 6/11/2014 10:12:27 AM
Oh and what did you guys think of E3 this year?
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#468ufaraPosted 6/11/2014 10:19:08 AM
OracleGunner posted...
Oh and what did you guys think of E3 this year?


Somewhat meh I guess.

I've seen better.
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#469OracleGunnerPosted 6/11/2014 10:55:48 AM
ufara posted...
OracleGunner posted...
Oh and what did you guys think of E3 this year?


Somewhat meh I guess.

I've seen better.


The Smash tournament was fun. I agree on the meh part though. Needed some Ratchet and Clank or Jak instead of more Far Cry 4.
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#470myghostisdeadPosted 6/11/2014 11:06:11 AM
OracleGunner posted...
SBK, did you see the Bayonetta 2 announcement at E3?


It was a fair announcement. Tickled to see the DMC reference of Flock off feather face is still in game. I wonder if there will be further DMC or other game nods. Also, I wonder if the ties in the universes will be strengthened. I like the idea of DMC and Bayo being in the same universe.

I don't know how much we can believe but PG states 60 fps. I think the bundle is a great idea. Also glad to see PG/Kamiya making such a showing at E3. Really more than I expected.