Thank ReMake Sales and Importantly the Gamecube for the More Action based RE4

#11SSJ_JinPosted 9/27/2013 7:24:08 AM
lol at you guys saying RE2/3 was becoming more action. And here I thought it was leaning towards more of an RPG.

But back on topic, something isn't right.

http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/million.html

REmake only sold 250 copies less than RE4. I doubt the numbers would be that much different from then to now, (but it's possible). I'm not sure what they were expecting. I would assume 4 cost more than REmake since it was brand new and scrapped like twice before the final version came out, (DMC, RE4 ghost beta). Or maybe REmake just didn't grab those numbers until RE4 came out.

Something is just odd with him saying it didn't sell well and yet it's one of their greatest selling titles. I just can't see the gaming being more expensive than RE4.
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#12GoldsicklePosted 9/27/2013 7:42:37 AM
SSJ_Jin posted...
REmake only sold 250 copies less than RE4.

You mean 250,000, right?

Something is just odd with him saying it didn't sell well and yet it's one of their greatest selling titles.

That isn't really "great", since REmake is 39th in the list, while RE5 & RE2 are 2nd & 3rd, respectively.
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#13SSJ_JinPosted 9/27/2013 8:11:25 AM
Goldsickle posted...
SSJ_Jin posted...
REmake only sold 250 copies less than RE4.

You mean 250,000, right?

Something is just odd with him saying it didn't sell well and yet it's one of their greatest selling titles.

That isn't really "great", since REmake is 39th in the list, while RE5 & RE2 are 2nd & 3rd, respectively.


LOL, yeah I definitely meant 250,000! Not simply 250! I wonder if that much REALLY made a different considering it was still over a million.

But look at where RE4 for Gamecube is on that list. It's not that much higher than REmake. And RE5 wasn't out yet when RE4/REmake was made. Not to mention the PS2 release helped project RE4's sales which no doubt would have done the same for REmake.
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#14GoldsicklePosted 9/27/2013 8:27:49 AM
SSJ_Jin posted...
And RE5 wasn't out yet when RE4/REmake was made.

RE2 and Street Fighter II was.
The sales for those are still a lot higher.

REmake only made it in the list because it fulfilled the "over 1 million sold" quota.
But it's not really "one of the best sellers".

I remember how people argued that "RE6 is a commercial failure because the creators said so".
Now we see Shinji himself saying that REmake is a "commercial failure", I guess the same goes for REmake?
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#15SSJ_JinPosted 9/27/2013 8:55:15 AM
Goldsickle posted...
SSJ_Jin posted...
And RE5 wasn't out yet when RE4/REmake was made.

RE2 and Street Fighter II was.
The sales for those are still a lot higher.

REmake only made it in the list because it fulfilled the "over 1 million sold" quota.
But it's not really "one of the best sellers".

I remember how people argued that "RE6 is a commercial failure because the creators said so".
Now we see Shinji himself saying that REmake is a "commercial failure", I guess the same goes for REmake?


Again, Shinji said REmake didn't sell well and yet it's only 250,000 copies away from RE4. And again, this is why I was mentioning the costs of the games. RE6 is a commercial failure. It didn't meet it's expectations. Understand, even if your game sold 10 million copies, if you needed it to sell 15 million to make a profit then it failed.

Therefore, I don't see how REmake could cost more than RE4. Something's not right. He didn't even say that the GC is the reason it didn't sell as much. He also said that he doesn't think developers are looking at money when making the new "survival horror" and we know damn well they are.
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#16GoldsicklePosted 9/27/2013 9:34:16 AM
SSJ_Jin posted...
Again, Shinji said REmake didn't sell well and yet it's only 250,000 copies away from RE4.

Just using the "because the creators themselves said so" logic.

I know some RE6 haters use this and if they're a big fan of REmake, they have to come to terms that REmake is a failure as well.
They could always go back on their words, though (as usual).

And you should really stop waving that "just 250,000" around.
It's still 250,000 more.
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#17SSJ_JinPosted 9/27/2013 9:58:58 AM
Goldsickle posted...
SSJ_Jin posted...
Again, Shinji said REmake didn't sell well and yet it's only 250,000 copies away from RE4.

Just using the "because the creators themselves said so" logic.

I know some RE6 haters use this and if they're a big fan of REmake, they have to come to terms that REmake is a failure as well.
They could always go back on their words, though (as usual).

And you should really stop waving that "just 250,000" around.
It's still 250,000 more.


What are you talking about? If your product doesn't generate any revenue it's a flop. This isn't "because creators say so." This is pure fact. It's called business.

Second, a 250,000 difference is hardly comparable to Capcom's recent fails with wanting RE6 to do 7 million, (or whatever number it was, game did 4.9) or DmC doing like 7 million, (or whatever number it was, game did 1.1 mil I believe). So I most definitely can "wave" it around because if REmake didn't sell well then neither did RE4 for Gamecube since the numbers are very close.
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#18GoldsicklePosted 9/27/2013 11:08:46 AM(edited)
SSJ_Jin posted...
What are you talking about? If your product doesn't generate any revenue it's a flop. This isn't "because creators say so."

No denying that but like I said, just using people's own logic against them.

I was the one who said that "it's all about sales" after all and stood by this.

Also remember that flop or not, RE6 still sold much more than a lot of other RE games and is 4th place amongst Capcom's best sellers.
For whom it concerns, it doesn't mean that "old-school RE" is coming back anytime soon.

Second, a 250,000 difference is hardly comparable to Capcom's recent fails

Take it to Shinji, seriously.
He's the one who said that.
Shinji's always releasing new stories as time passes, like how more is revealed about RE4 when being interviewed for Shadows Of The Damned and Vanquish.
There's probably a lot of undisclosed reason to why he considers REmake a "failure".

If you have a friend who interviews official staff members, make a request to specifically ask Shinji why he considers REmake a failure.
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#19SSJ_JinPosted 9/27/2013 12:40:19 PM
Goldsickle posted...
SSJ_Jin posted...
What are you talking about? If your product doesn't generate any revenue it's a flop. This isn't "because creators say so."

No denying that but like I said, just using people's own logic against them.

I was the one who said that "it's all about sales" after all and stood by this.

Also remember that flop or not, RE6 still sold much more than a lot of other RE games and is 4th place amongst Capcom's best sellers.
For whom it concerns, it doesn't mean that "old-school RE" is coming back anytime soon.

Second, a 250,000 difference is hardly comparable to Capcom's recent fails

Take it to Shinji, seriously.
He's the one who said that.
Shinji's always releasing new stories as time passes, like how more is revealed about RE4 when being interviewed for Shadows Of The Damned and Vanquish.
There's probably a lot of undisclosed reason to why he considers REmake a "failure".

If you have a friend who interviews official staff members, make a request to specifically ask Shinji why he considers REmake a failure.


Oh well I was just making sure in regards to the sales part.

And I am taking it to Shinji. lol. That's why I said something's not right and began the whole REmake sold the same as RE4 on GC pretty much.

And if I or anyone could interview staff members, we'd probably be out of work because we'd ask the real **** people wanna know and not always the typical bs.
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#20TheSkinniMini1(Topic Creator)Posted 9/27/2013 1:08:55 PM
Goldsickle posted...
REmake isn't really a "commercial failure" since it did sold more than their quota.
But compared to RE2 & RE3, the REmake did sold a lot less.

I think even if REmake did get ported to the PS2, the 'old-school' style would still die off, since it's already showing decline, via RE3 & Code: VERONICA.


Dude, if the guy who made the game and says its one of his favorites say it was a commerical failure, it was a commerical failure no matter what it sold. Clearly its numbers was not enough in his and Capcom's mind.

We don't know where this series would be if the ReMake (and Zero by association) was on the Ps2. Maybe it would have died off, maybe it would have thrived again, we don't know and that's the scary thing about it. Would we have gotten games like Re4-Re6 in the series, who knows? Maybe, maybe not?
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