if Capcom want win-win everyone in RE 6 why not make new resident evil ip ?

#181CobraSAPosted 4/3/2014 9:07:19 AM(edited)
Final Legion posted...
The real proof is that Capcom continues to release RE titles in spite of your theorem. As I said before, Capcom knows it's audience and it knows what it's doing.
I know of more than one company which has fallen thinking it knew what it was doing, Squaresoft comes in mind, bought (and humiliated) by rival Enix.

2 titles out of 20 does not a blockbuster series make. Well received and well liked, perhaps.
The ps1 had pretty much the monopole of its home console generation, had thousands of titles, and a series making it multiple times in the all times top 20 of that console is no blockbuster? Oh wow, I don't know what to say.

I was never particularly partial to the RE series; in fact, I'm really not into the survival horror genre...
While RE6 being horror is arguable at best (I think it's not), it being "survival" is laughable at best. Yes RE6 has not much of the genre it defined and is now a mainstream third person shooter. Pretty much like Lost Planet once defined a new survival/extreme conditions genre only to be quickly turned into a mainstream gears of war clone with virtually no difficulty.


Goldsickle posted...
CobraSA posted...
If you don't get the mathematical logic of it then just take figures as an empirical proof.

Your "market is expanding" suggestion is nothing more than theories and assumption.

Then explain why China and Korea which used to be non factors in the industry (mostly because everything was pirated) are now weighting more than Japan in sales? Explain why India and latin american markets are expending quickly and already weighting over a billion dollar. I'm sure you have a great theory.

Final word, the development cost of RE6 is certainly way over 50 times the development cost of RE1/2, so in term of profitability, RE1/2 still reign supreme, I dare you to disprove that.
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#182GoldsicklePosted 4/3/2014 10:43:15 AM
CobraSA posted...
Then explain why China and Korea which used to be non factors in the industry (mostly because everything was pirated) are now weighting more than Japan in sales? Explain why India and latin american markets are expending quickly and already weighting over a billion dollar. I'm sure you have a great theory.

Completely unrelated to the discussion.
Your original argument implies how "it's easier to sell games in this generation".
But as you can see, not every game series gets a piece of the pie, making that statement of yours irrelevant.

Final word,

Ha ha.

I dare you to disprove that.

And what will taking out all this on me do?
Pretending to win an argument in an internet forum will not change the fact that back in reality, Capcom will continue going against what you think it should do, for the reasons Daniel and Legion has explained.


Also, stop ignoring the fact that the leading members of the Resident Evil development team are already bored of the old school style.
No matter how much you nitpick or b**** about Capcom sales tactics, it won't change the fact that there's nobody left at Capcom who wants to do an "old-school style" RE.

Even if you drag Shinji Mikami's ass back to Capcom to do another RE game, he'll just follow-up where 6 left off, since even he believes that the action direction is a natural evolution for the series.


Instead of shoving your "what if" fantasy scenarios into people's faces, you should instead try to understand why things happen the way they did.
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#183DanielSpace79Posted 4/3/2014 1:38:56 PM
^^^ Excellently said.
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#184Final LegionPosted 4/3/2014 2:30:19 PM
CobraSA posted...

I know of more than one company which has fallen thinking it knew what it was doing, Squaresoft comes in mind, bought (and humiliated) by rival Enix.


And yet Capcom is third in market share in Japan, behind only legendary giants Nintendo and Namco and ahead of SE, Konami and a host of others. I think they know what they're doing.

The ps1 had pretty much the monopole of its home console generation, had thousands of titles, and a series making it multiple times in the all times top 20 of that console is no blockbuster? Oh wow, I don't know what to say.


Hmm, let's see....top 20...
Here's a top 20 list with only one RE title: http://www.gamesradar.com/best-psx-games/
Here's another with only RE title: http://retro-sanctuary.com/Top-100-PS1-Games-Page-5.html
And another with just one: http://caddicarus.wikia.com/wiki/Caddy%27s_Top_20_Favorite_PS1_Games
Oh, and another: http://cabbitwolf.wordpress.com/2012/07/11/top-20-playstation-1-games/

You must tell me more about these top 20 lists that have multiple RE entries.

While RE6 being horror is arguable at best (I think it's not), it being "survival" is laughable at best. Yes RE6 has not much of the genre it defined and is now a mainstream third person shooter. Pretty much like Lost Planet once defined a new survival/extreme conditions genre only to be quickly turned into a mainstream gears of war clone with virtually no difficulty.


Can't say I know. I never played RE6 but that's what I'm hearing. No loss for me.
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#185CobraSAPosted 4/5/2014 9:46:25 AM
Goldsickle posted...
Completely unrelated to the discussion.
That's entirely related on the contrary since I proved by A+B that is used to be a top notch blockbuster, and is now a game which is doing quite poor what used to be a solid franchise.

Also, stop ignoring the fact that the leading members of the Resident Evil development team are already bored of the old school style.
No matter how much you nitpick or b**** about Capcom sales tactics, it won't change the fact that there's nobody left at Capcom who wants to do an "old-school style" RE.
Sure, because these smart developers are going to crap on their bread and tell everyone straight "hey buy this **** we're selling"

How about we look at the only thing that matters : users average ratings taken straight from gfaqs:
Resident Evil (PS) 4.13 / 5, out of 872 total votes
Resident Evil DC (PS) 4.18 / 5, out of 981 total votes
Resident Evil 2 (PS) 4.36 / 5, out of 1476 total votes
Resident Evil Remake (GC) 4.41 / 5, out of 1707 total votes

Resident Evil 6 (PS3) 3.69 / 5, out of 1446 total votes

Now it certainly seems gamers are more bored about the newer style than the older.

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Final Legion posted...
Hmm, let's see....top 20...
Here's a top 20 list with only one RE title: http://www.gamesradar.com/best-psx-games/
Here's another with only RE title: http://retro-sanctuary.com/Top-100-PS1-Games-Page-5.html
And another with just one: http://caddicarus.wikia.com/wiki/Caddy%27s_Top_20_Favorite_PS1_Games
Oh, and another: http://cabbitwolf.wordpress.com/2012/07/11/top-20-playstation-1-games/

You must tell me more about these top 20 lists that have multiple RE entries.
I was not talking about a few random internet bloggers top 20, I was talking about sales charts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_PlayStation_video_games

Can't say I know. I never played RE6 but that's what I'm hearing. No loss for me.
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#186Final LegionPosted 4/5/2014 12:52:06 PM
CobraSA posted...


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Final Legion posted...

I was not talking about a few random internet bloggers top 20, I was talking about sales charts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_PlayStation_video_games


There are two titles in the top 20, four in the top 40. Your point is still ill made about being a "blockbuster" series. As i said before...it's a well received, well liked series...but not a blockbuster series. There are four Tomb Raider titles and three FF titles in the top 20. Those are blockbusters.
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#187GoldsicklePosted 4/5/2014 11:24:32 PM
CobraSA posted...
That's entirely related on the contrary since I proved

You didn't prove anything.
You can't deny the fact that not all franchises are able to sell, regardless whether you think the market is growing or not.

The "market is growing" reasoning is utter bulls***, really.
We're not living in 1996-98 anymore, so why must we follow the market standards from then?

How about we look at the only thing that matters : users average ratings taken straight from gfaqs:

That's your rebuttal?
Some veteran developers are supposed to be swayed by some user ratings from some website that doesn't necessarily represent the fanbase?

Seriously, try imagining yourself bringing this up to Shinji Mikami, Jun Takeuchi or Hiroyuki Kobayashi.

You think they'd give a s***?

They have their own reasons and motives for taking the current direction and changing their minds isn't going to be as easy as shoving some stupid, irrelevant "user reviews" into their faces.
They have their own data gathering and survey, which they put up on Capcom Unity (which I took part in).
The reason for RE6's format is most likely from the feedback they gathered.
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#188edward18Posted 4/5/2014 11:51:18 PM
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#189VioletSystemsPosted 4/6/2014 8:34:33 AM
Goldsickle posted...
The reason for RE6's format is most likely from the feedback they gathered.

Ya sure ain't sure yourself lol
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#190GoldsicklePosted 4/6/2014 11:49:15 AM
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Ya sure ain't sure yourself lol

"In response to player feedback on 5, we have revised and modernised the controls."
http://metro.co.uk/2012/08/28/resident-evil-6-interview-dramatic-changes-553593/
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