Strength Build: Claymore, Zweihander, or Black Knight Sword?

#1DisastersaurusPosted 4/19/2013 3:36:05 AM
So I'm working on my 'final' Dark Souls character for one last playthrough before DS2 hits this fall, and I've decided I want to make a sort of power hitter.

So far, I've narrowed down the weapons I want to use to Claymore, Zweihander, and BKS. I'm not really interested in any others, these are the movesets I enjoy the most.

Assuming I'm going for more of a PvE focus (likely just beating the game once, NG+ is possible but unlikely, PvP is not a focus), which of these weapons is best-suited to success?
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#2Lieutenant_FuzzPosted 4/19/2013 3:44:03 AM
Well if you're looking for a 0 effort run, BKS will work fine. The other two require a lot more materials and messing around to get them to full power, but will end up stronger.

Claymore is wonderful, zweihander I love for pvp, but I had to do an only zweihander playthrough with 16 strength and it was horrible.

Demon ruins with nothing but a chaos zweihander made me want to kill myself
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#3BoukePosted 4/19/2013 3:47:27 AM(edited)
None of those weapons are strength weapons...

Claymore & Zweihander want a 27/40 split.
BKGS needs 32/18 to one-hand.
A true strength build doesn't have more than 10 dex.

BKS needs 20/18 and gives 414 AR, which is decent, but has horrible scaling beyond that.
Enough to finish the game though, if you're lucky enough to get to drop one.

You could go 40/40 and use whatever you want. But you'll be hard pressed to get a decent build for that in ng...
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#4Disastersaurus(Topic Creator)Posted 4/19/2013 3:45:59 AM
Bouke posted...
None of those weapons are strength weapons...

Claymore & Zweihander want a 27/40 split.
BKGS needs 32/18 to one-hand.
A true strength build doesn't have more than 10 dex.

You could go 40/40 and use whatever you want. But you'll be hard pressed to get a decent build for that in ng...



Why would I want more than 10 dex for Zweihander? It only requires 10 and doesn't scale for crap with it. Doesn't that make it a strength weapon?
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#5Disastersaurus(Topic Creator)Posted 4/19/2013 3:47:55 AM
Lieutenant_Fuzz posted...
Well if you're looking for a 0 effort run, BKS will work fine. The other two require a lot more materials and messing around to get them to full power, but will end up stronger.

Claymore is wonderful, zweihander I love for pvp, but I had to do an only zweihander playthrough with 16 strength and it was horrible.

Demon ruins with nothing but a chaos zweihander made me want to kill myself


Interesting. Now, I love the zweihander against mobs, but I notice against some bosses (Ornstein and Smough, for example) it feels like it can be tough to get a swing off.

Would it be better to switch to the claymore for those fights, or is it just a 'learn to use the weapon' issue?
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#6Hero_DunbanPosted 4/19/2013 3:48:07 AM
Disastersaurus posted...
Bouke posted...
None of those weapons are strength weapons...

Claymore & Zweihander want a 27/40 split.
BKGS needs 32/18 to one-hand.
A true strength build doesn't have more than 10 dex.

You could go 40/40 and use whatever you want. But you'll be hard pressed to get a decent build for that in ng...



Why would I want more than 10 dex for Zweihander? It only requires 10 and doesn't scale for crap with it. Doesn't that make it a strength weapon?


Zwei has C/C scaling. By your logic, it isn't a strength weapon either.
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#7Lieutenant_FuzzPosted 4/19/2013 3:50:56 AM
Disastersaurus posted...
Lieutenant_Fuzz posted...
Well if you're looking for a 0 effort run, BKS will work fine. The other two require a lot more materials and messing around to get them to full power, but will end up stronger.

Claymore is wonderful, zweihander I love for pvp, but I had to do an only zweihander playthrough with 16 strength and it was horrible.

Demon ruins with nothing but a chaos zweihander made me want to kill myself


Interesting. Now, I love the zweihander against mobs, but I notice against some bosses (Ornstein and Smough, for example) it feels like it can be tough to get a swing off.

Would it be better to switch to the claymore for those fights, or is it just a 'learn to use the weapon' issue?


I definitely agree, it's often a better choice to take out the Claymore at the expense of losing that huge single hit damage due to how impractical it can be against bosses.

Zweihander stuns ornstein, which is cool.
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#8Disastersaurus(Topic Creator)Posted 4/19/2013 3:52:22 AM(edited)
Hero_Dunban posted...
Disastersaurus posted...
Bouke posted...
None of those weapons are strength weapons...

Claymore & Zweihander want a 27/40 split.
BKGS needs 32/18 to one-hand.
A true strength build doesn't have more than 10 dex.

You could go 40/40 and use whatever you want. But you'll be hard pressed to get a decent build for that in ng...



Why would I want more than 10 dex for Zweihander? It only requires 10 and doesn't scale for crap with it. Doesn't that make it a strength weapon?


Zwei has C/C scaling. By your logic, it isn't a strength weapon either.


I was more going for 'strength' as in, like, a character who is built around strong physical attacks and heavy armor, not strength the in-game stat.

Sorry, I haven't played a lot of Dark Souls, didn't know the proper terminology.
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#9BoukePosted 4/19/2013 3:53:18 AM
You really don't want to go beyond 27 strength for a Zwei as long as you're two handing.
Still scales significantly with dex though.

Whether a +15 Zwei is worth it under sl100 is a different question entirely though, if you care about fastroll and decent poise that is...
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#10Lieutenant_FuzzPosted 4/19/2013 3:53:50 AM
Hero_Dunban posted...
Disastersaurus posted...
Bouke posted...
None of those weapons are strength weapons...

Claymore & Zweihander want a 27/40 split.
BKGS needs 32/18 to one-hand.
A true strength build doesn't have more than 10 dex.

You could go 40/40 and use whatever you want. But you'll be hard pressed to get a decent build for that in ng...



Why would I want more than 10 dex for Zweihander? It only requires 10 and doesn't scale for crap with it. Doesn't that make it a strength weapon?


Zwei has C/C scaling. By your logic, it isn't a strength weapon either.


Zwei is always C/D brah
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