Dotabuff shutdown

#61SwaglockHolmesPosted 1/25/2013 7:13:47 PM
Also, this isn't just about Dotabuff.

Valve needed to set a precedent regarding third party stats systems and data-mining.

Even if Dotabuff promised privacy if users wanted it to Valve they can't make that promise for every other competitor that's invariably going to pop up over time.

Valve is not trying to kill Dotabuff. Valve is just finally setting their foot down regarding what third party sites can do with their data, and which parts they're allowed access to.
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#62PooiPosted 1/25/2013 7:14:23 PM
I don't care about how Dotabuff is acting. I'm more curious about how Valve is handling this issue without any official words and lack of communication.

Dotabuff is/was pretty popular and relevant to the Dota community. Kind of interesting to see how Valve is trying their hardest not to communicate.
#63_Wargle_Posted 1/25/2013 7:15:37 PM
Funny thing i took a screenshot of my page earlier today too :D
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#64DragooneerZeroPosted 1/25/2013 7:18:36 PM
From: Pooi | #062
I don't care about how Dotabuff is acting. I'm more curious about how Valve is handling this issue without any official words and lack of communication.


they're not under any obligation to do any of that. dotabuff is an unsupported service. valve is free to change up their stats frontend however they want. at no point did they ever promise stat tracking through a replay downloader.
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#65SwaglockHolmesPosted 1/25/2013 7:19:04 PM
Pooi posted...
I don't care about how Dotabuff is acting. I'm more curious about how Valve is handling this issue without any official words and lack of communication.

Dotabuff is/was pretty popular and relevant to the Dota community. Kind of interesting to see how Valve is trying their hardest not to communicate.


Dotabuff is replaceable. What they were doing was very nice and appreciated, but nothing particularly special or exclusive.

I feel like Valve's intentions have been communicated clearly enough.

A) If you're childish like Dotabuff we have no plan of working with, supporting, or promoting your affiliation with our game.

B) We are not okay with how Dotabuff was using illicit methods to acquire data we wern't intentionally giving out. We didn't make this clear, but we've made a new API so now it should be very self-evident what we want and support being done with our data.
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#66rabies_nekoPosted 1/25/2013 7:48:31 PM
DotA 2 is free to play, the idea that a third party site is profiting off it would hardly sit well with Valve. I wonder what would have happen if this 'plus' service was never introduced, since it sounds like Valve would have continued to turn a blind eye to it and keep their own API on the back burner. It doesn't sound like they considered it a high priority at all until this week.
#67DARKlegend64Posted 1/25/2013 7:51:29 PM
Any word from Valve about their opinion on this? I want to see source (didn't read previous posts)
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#68quinikkPosted 1/26/2013 2:32:18 AM
Mezmorizor posted...
It's pretty ridiculous that the dotabuff owner is lambasting valve for making the option private by default. That's just how privacy matters work.


Read the whole story.
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#69EnjoyMePosted 1/26/2013 3:57:42 AM
rabies_neko posted...
DotA 2 is free to play, the idea that a third party site is profiting off it would hardly sit well with Valve.


That's not the issue here. If Dotabuff only released Dotabuff Plus, they would still be operating. Why Valve stepped in was because Dotabuff went against Valve's clear intentions of not releasing MMRs; biting the hand that feeds you and so on. Add to this their unethical methods of obtaining data (I don't know how they do it, but word on the street is it's elusive and unintended data gathering methods not sanctioned by Valve) and you get the situation we're in now.
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#70SnakeEyes170Posted 1/26/2013 6:21:50 AM
dotabuff got shutdown because of their stupid dotabuff plus system. They wanted to make money off of data that was publicly available which valve did not like, and they shut the site down because valve made that data private so paying was pointless.
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