attn attn all bristleback players

#11_Wargle_Posted 4/18/2013 8:35:37 PM
Just because Sing does it doesn't mean it's always the ideal build.
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#12Soul Of The DarknessPosted 4/18/2013 9:24:39 PM
I don't understand how this is even debatable
whichever skill is better for ganking is always the best skill to get high first

how could people even think that maxing quills early is worth it
#13Ultima_Weapon33Posted 4/18/2013 9:37:20 PM
Soul Of The Darkness posted...
I don't understand how this is even debatable
whichever skill is better for ganking is always the best skill to get high first

how could people even think that maxing quills early is worth it


http://dotabuff.com/heroes/bristleback/skills

Nukes are maxed first on every hero basically.
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#14Soul Of The DarknessPosted 4/18/2013 10:55:26 PM
yeah, but those are the normal tier idiots
#15ThePlasmaStormPosted 4/19/2013 1:25:03 AM
you get quills for last hits not for harass (though they may be harassed if they get too close). get on my lv
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#16KOTRsssPosted 4/19/2013 2:17:24 AM
ThePlasmaStorm posted...
you get quills for last hits not for harass (though they may be harassed if they get too close). get on my lv


Your level? You mean like, pushing the lane level? BRB farming with illuminate.
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#17aalniusPosted 4/19/2013 4:12:43 AM
it's all about the scalability

armour reduction doesn't even change from lvl 1 -2 and the slow only increases by 3% each time thats horrendous scaling

compared to

quills which has its dmg go up by 20 per level which still isn't great scaling but its better then goo.

also if you get bristleback at lvl 2 whilst maxing quills it helps prevent ganks as they'll be less likely to dive towers if you've reduced their hp to half-quarter from your quills compared to gooing one guy having to turn around to goo them which opens you up to more dmg.
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#18SwaglockHolmes(Topic Creator)Posted 4/19/2013 5:09:46 AM(edited)
aalnius posted...
it's all about the scalability

armour reduction doesn't even change from lvl 1 -2 and the slow only increases by 3% each time thats horrendous scaling

compared to

quills which has its dmg go up by 20 per level which still isn't great scaling but its better then goo.

also if you get bristleback at lvl 2 whilst maxing quills it helps prevent ganks as they'll be less likely to dive towers if you've reduced their hp to half-quarter from your quills compared to gooing one guy having to turn around to goo them which opens you up to more dmg.


the scaling seems low but the skill has a 1.5 second cooldown

so let's calculate what bristle can do in 6 seconds with different levels of nasal goo

if it's level 1 he reduces their armor by 4 and ms by 32%

if it's level 4 he reduces their armor by 8 and ms by 68%

that ain't good scaling? being able to dish out -8 armor on a single target and a 68% slow at level 7 is gamebreaking and does sustained dps that isn't reliant on bristleback being focused (like quills are)

unless you're focused the max amount of bonus damage you can do with quills is only 90. the cooldown is 3 seconds. if you compare them 6 seconds wise it comes out too

level 1 quills 80 physical damage

level 4 quills 190 physical damage

it's always better to have goo maxed out by 7 than quills. nobody is going to focus down, try to gank, or dive a bristleback, and if by some crazy chance they decide to, unless they're horribly positioned they won't allow you to get enough quill sprays from bristleback to do the sustained dps you're talking about.

tl;dr: maxing quills by 7 is too dependent on being focused to do any kind of sustained dps. nobody focuses bristleback. maxing goo means that you can gank better and deal more damage with warpath for slightly weaker quills. easily the more economic skillbuild.
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#19SwaglockHolmes(Topic Creator)Posted 4/19/2013 5:22:55 AM(edited)
also

medallion on bristle is legit guys

the mana regen is good on a hero with int gain as good as he does

the active means that you can put someone at -14 armor at level 7. that's more than alchemist/venge/any other hero reliant on -armor in their kit for sustained dps at that point in the game. (besides slardar)

same -armor as a maxed meld hit + medallion, but it isn't dependent on getting into melee range (until psi blades is leveled, and nobody has meld maxed by 7).

basically at level 7 a bristle with maxed goo and medal is the hardest hitting mofo in the game and you can't escape him unless you got a blink, surge, etc.

possible +100 damage and 9% extra ms coupled with -14 armor?

yolo
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#20Ultima_Weapon33Posted 4/19/2013 7:35:05 AM
with int gain as good as he does

He has 14 base int, you garbage can.

It is good though.
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