Ulfric and the Thalmor *spoilers*

#1anubis_realmPosted 1/3/2012 2:35:03 PM
Based on this (which I never noticed in the game before), it poses an interesting conspiracy plot:
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Thalmor_Dossier:_Ulfric_Stormcloak

Sorry if this has been discussed before.
#2hoax123Posted 1/3/2012 2:52:56 PM
What conspiracy theory?
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#3clone11Posted 1/3/2012 2:54:07 PM

anubis_realm posted...
Based on this (which I never noticed in the game before), it poses an interesting conspiracy plot:
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Thalmor_Dossier:_Ulfric_Stormcloak

Sorry if this has been discussed before.


It's been posted a few couple times. People seem to have some sort of blind spot for it though.

#4anubis_realm(Topic Creator)Posted 1/3/2012 2:56:00 PM
hoax123 posted...
What conspiracy theory?

To quote the link:
"Thalmor Dossier: Ulfric Stormcloak
Thalmor Dossier on the Stormcloaks leader and Jarl of Windhelm Ulfric Stormcloak.

Status: Asset (uncooperative), Dormant, Emissary Level Approval
Description: Jarl of Windhelm, leader of Stormcloak rebellion, Imperial Legion veteran
Background: Ulfric first came to our attention during the First War Against the Empire, when he was taken as a prisoner of war during the campaign for the White-Gold Tower. Under interrogation, we learned of his potential value (son of the Jarl of Windhelm) and he was assigned as an asset to the interrogator, who is now First Emissary Elenwen. He was made to believe information obtained during his interrogation was crucial in the capture of the Imperial City (the city had in fact fallen before he had broken), and then allowed to escape. After the war, contact was established and he has proven his worth as an asset.The so-called Markarth Incident was particularly valuable from the point of view of our strategic goals in Skyrim, although it resulted in Ulfric becoming generally uncooperative to direct contact.
Operational Notes: Direct contact remains a possibility (under extreme circumstances), but in general the asset should be considered dormant. As long as the civil war proceeds in its current indecisive fashion, we should remain hands-off. The incident at Helgen is an example where an exception had to be made - obviously Ulfric's death would have dramatically increased the chance of an Imperial victory and thus harmed our overall position in Skyrim. (NOTE: The coincidental intervention of the dragon at Helgen is still under scrutiny. The obvious conclusion is that whoever is behind the dragons also has an interest in the continuation of the war, but we should not assume therefore that their goals align with our own.) A Stormcloak victory is also to be avoided, however, so even indirect aid to the Stormcloaks must be carefully managed."


It seems Ulfric is a Thalmor sleeper agent, albeit a bit uncooperative.
#5Buried_BonesPosted 1/3/2012 2:56:36 PM
It kind of makes sense to me that Stormcloak would be an informant for the Thalmor since the Imperials are both of their enemies. What I don't get is why he stopped being cooperative?
#6clone11Posted 1/3/2012 2:58:10 PM

Buried_Bones posted...
It kind of makes sense to me that Stormcloak would be an informant for the Thalmor since the Imperials are both of their enemies. What I don't get is why he stopped being cooperative?

He has "I Can Rule Alone" syndrome.

#7GeneralKenobi85Posted 1/3/2012 3:00:41 PM
What I don't get is the part about how they needed to do something to prevent Ulfric's death. But then they go on to say that they weren't behind Alduin's indirect rescue of the prisoners.
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#8AddictedToXboxPosted 1/3/2012 3:04:07 PM
No, this has been done so many times. Ulfric is not a damn Thalmor spy. Why can't people figure this out?

Of course the Thalmor are going to claim Ulfric as an asset! These are the same arrogant asses that took credit for the return of the moons, and thus convinced the idiotic Khajiit to side with them.

There's no such thing as a Thalmor victory. They have not the numbers, skills, or resources to achieve their goals. They suffered just as much, if not worse, as the Empire in the war. I'm gonna say worse since the Redguards kicked their asses out of Hammerfell, and if the Khajiit ever wisen up to their lies, the Thalmor will get an ass-kicking in Elsweyr too. The Thalmor are sniveling weasels. They try to turn the world against each other, but it won't work. Besides, they don't have anything like Numidium.

They lose.
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#9hoax123Posted 1/3/2012 3:10:55 PM
anubis_realm posted...
hoax123 posted...
What conspiracy theory?

To quote the link:
"Thalmor Dossier: Ulfric Stormcloak
Thalmor Dossier on the Stormcloaks leader and Jarl of Windhelm Ulfric Stormcloak.

Status: Asset (uncooperative), Dormant, Emissary Level Approval
Description: Jarl of Windhelm, leader of Stormcloak rebellion, Imperial Legion veteran
Background: Ulfric first came to our attention during the First War Against the Empire, when he was taken as a prisoner of war during the campaign for the White-Gold Tower. Under interrogation, we learned of his potential value (son of the Jarl of Windhelm) and he was assigned as an asset to the interrogator, who is now First Emissary Elenwen. He was made to believe information obtained during his interrogation was crucial in the capture of the Imperial City (the city had in fact fallen before he had broken), and then allowed to escape. After the war, contact was established and he has proven his worth as an asset.The so-called Markarth Incident was particularly valuable from the point of view of our strategic goals in Skyrim, although it resulted in Ulfric becoming generally uncooperative to direct contact.
Operational Notes: Direct contact remains a possibility (under extreme circumstances), but in general the asset should be considered dormant. As long as the civil war proceeds in its current indecisive fashion, we should remain hands-off. The incident at Helgen is an example where an exception had to be made - obviously Ulfric's death would have dramatically increased the chance of an Imperial victory and thus harmed our overall position in Skyrim. (NOTE: The coincidental intervention of the dragon at Helgen is still under scrutiny. The obvious conclusion is that whoever is behind the dragons also has an interest in the continuation of the war, but we should not assume therefore that their goals align with our own.) A Stormcloak victory is also to be avoided, however, so even indirect aid to the Stormcloaks must be carefully managed."


It seems Ulfric is a Thalmor sleeper agent, albeit a bit uncooperative.


Yeah i read that dossier when i first played the game, i still ask, what conspiracy?
Ulfric isnt a spy, no matter what you may think, we have been through this before.
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#10bongtronic420Posted 1/3/2012 3:17:11 PM
I don't think Ulfric is a sleeper. He's outlived his usefulness as an anti-Imperial provocateur because he has become focused on his own ideology. He's too pissed off about being used as a pawn to be controlled, and he has his own agenda now. The Dossier reads to me that the Thalmor are in denial about this and still think they can use Ulfric for their own ends.