I don't think guns would likely be allowed to progress to the point of usefulnes

#1StuflamesPosted 12/21/2010 9:21:25 PM
s in this world.

I mean, early guns were hardly better than bows or crossbows, and were much harder to make and find components for. Now if magic is as common as it is in TES universe, any local mage could touch off all the gunpowder and stuff on a person, making any individual carrying of gunpowder hazardous, transportation in wartime extremely hazardous, and gunpowder isn't easy to get in the first place and needs motivation to be created in large quantities. I don't see warfare technology necessarily progressing in that direction.
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#2TheBionicRockPosted 12/21/2010 9:23:38 PM
A fire shield on the powder horn would solve the danger of fire magic.
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#3Stuflames(Topic Creator)Posted 12/21/2010 9:30:41 PM
But it also needs to be sufficiently successful to replace what is there now for people to go through the effort of early creation and logistics.

War discussion shortly after discovery of gunpowder:

Officer: "Well, we have this fast burning stuff. It's extremely volitile, requires specialists, some shipping time, and is quite expensive, but it can be used to blow up the bridge without us chopping it down"

General: ". . .can't the mages just do that?"

I guess I don't know, it may depend on the specifics its used and how useful and common magic really is in TES universe (it's hard to judge just by the games), but I'd say there are definitely more barriers to its use in TES universe than our own. Just something to keep in mind, as people talk about the march of progress in these arguments.

Not to say there couldn't be gun-like-whatevers or explosives operated by other means than gunpowder in TES universe, either, I suppose.
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#4TheBionicRockPosted 12/21/2010 9:35:54 PM

From: Stuflames | #003
General: ". . .can't the mages just do that?"


Officer: Sir, we're losing mages faster than we can train them. We simply don't have enough to get everything done.
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#5Stuflames(Topic Creator)Posted 12/21/2010 9:42:25 PM
Which is fine for one battle or instance, but for guns to be semi-common infantry fare they have to meet a standard of usefulness not already met by other means and prove themselves in order to create the supporting industry they need.

I guess in a fantasy world there's always other possibilities as long as you have some imagination, though. For example l a distant empire that had long forbidden magic that found other, mundane means to be powerful. Then people seeing the effectiveness of the technology that they had to be developed adopt it.
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#6TheBionicRockPosted 12/21/2010 9:48:38 PM

From: Stuflames | #005
but for guns to be semi-common infantry fare they have to meet a standard of usefulness not already met by other means and prove themselves in order to create the supporting industry they need.


Easier to use than a bow, faster than a crossbow, stronger than both.
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#7Stuflames(Topic Creator)Posted 12/21/2010 9:51:56 PM
Easier to use than a bow, faster than a crossbow, stronger than both.

Early guns were not really faster than a crossbow. Plus they're more unreliable (especially around magic and not to mention magic using monsters or other fiery enemies), harder to manufacture, and dangerous to the user than either, and if you need the heavy stuff there's always magic.
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#8TheBionicRockPosted 12/21/2010 9:56:22 PM

From: Stuflames | #007
Early guns were not really faster than a crossbow.


They faster were compared to a very strong crossbow, which they still managed to beat for penetration power. It's certainly true they were less reliable though, humidity could do a real number on them and the powder is rather high maintenance compared to arrows and bolts. However I don't think magic is a suitable replacement otherwise we wouldn't even see bows and crossbows, something is clearly preventing magic from replacing traditional ranged weaponry but it's not entirely clear what that thing is.
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#9TheBionicRockPosted 12/21/2010 9:56:55 PM
*they were faster than

I really mangled that. XD
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