I don't understand how people can side with the imperials

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obishawn
Posted 12/5/2012 7:30:16 AM
BurstBear posted...
Everyone that joins the stormcloaks, please, keep in mind they do not stand up for you. Even at the chopping block none are willing to note that you're a stranger to them and they have no idea who the hell you are. Also note that they have you jump across a building on your own and leave you to your own devices, while Hadvar advises you stay close and implies he'll protect you. Also remember Tulius doesn't care. Stay close to him for a few seconds and he tells you to run. Hadvar even tried to make peace with the stormcloaks inside the Keep before they attacked him.

Yes, the one soldier was indeed awful to you, but every other imperial you meet on the way out attempts to help you.


Wow. That was so full of flaws I don't even know where to begin.
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BurstBear
Posted 12/5/2012 7:37:31 AM
obishawn posted...
BurstBear posted...
Everyone that joins the stormcloaks, please, keep in mind they do not stand up for you. Even at the chopping block none are willing to note that you're a stranger to them and they have no idea who the hell you are. Also note that they have you jump across a building on your own and leave you to your own devices, while Hadvar advises you stay close and implies he'll protect you. Also remember Tulius doesn't care. Stay close to him for a few seconds and he tells you to run. Hadvar even tried to make peace with the stormcloaks inside the Keep before they attacked him.

Yes, the one soldier was indeed awful to you, but every other imperial you meet on the way out attempts to help you.


Wow. That was so full of flaws I don't even know where to begin.


Please, point them out then.
Surmatise
Posted 12/5/2012 7:45:50 AM
Spiritofpower posted...
From: TheBestFaller | Posted: 12/4/2012 2:46:19 PM | #015
Barely. So we can overlook the atrocities because they haven't personally affected us is what I got out of that. The Thalmor are very much abducting people from their own homes and such, look at Markarth.

The Thalmor started abducting people once Ulfric started whining about Talos worship, before that no one really cared if you had a shrine to Talos. Hadvar even says "Everyone had their own little shrine to Talos," when he's talking about how much trouble Ulfric caused for the people he was claiming to free. If I'm being honest, Ulfric does not give one single crap about Talos or the worship thereof, he's just using Nord religious fervor to raise an army so he can seize power.

Also, siding with the Stormcloaks replaces Balgruuf. I like Balgruuf, he's easily my favorite Jarl in the entire game. He's reasonable, fair, and cares about his hold, his people, and what's best for them.


On the flipside if you side with the empire you get Maven Black-briar as Jarl of Riften which is a horrible person to be in charge of a hold.
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Brenz0r
Posted 12/5/2012 7:51:02 AM
On the flipside if you side with the empire you get Maven Black-briar as Jarl of Riften which is a horrible person to be in charge of a hold.

Maven controls Riften regardless of whether or not she's the Jarl. It's a superfluous appointment in her case.
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obishawn
Posted 12/5/2012 8:22:25 AM
BurstBear posted...
Everyone that joins the stormcloaks, please, keep in mind they do not stand up for you. Even at the chopping block none are willing to note that you're a stranger to them and they have no idea who the hell you are.


"Face your death with some courage, thief." Ralof told Lorkir. They knew death was inevitable, even if they would have spoken up for you, the Empire would neither believe them or care. The captain was going to see you dead no matter what. Just because the Stormcloaks don't speak in your defense doesn't mean they did you a disservice. They acted honorable, according to Nord standards, bring brave in the face of death (while in contrast, the Empire faced death but bowed the knee and signed the White Gold Concordat).

BurstBear posted...
Also note that they have you jump across a building on your own and leave you to your own devices, while Hadvar advises you stay close and implies he'll protect you.


Alduin followed you. That wasn't something Ralof planned. But you drew Alduin's attention off of the tower, letting Ralof, Ulfric and whoever remained to escape another way. Not to mention, Ralof urges you to join him in escaping Helgen.

BurstBear posted...
Also remember Tulius doesn't care. Stay close to him for a few seconds and he tells you to run.


This you were right about. The Captain orders your execution even in spite of Hadvar's questioning that you were not on the list, Tullius was standing not even ten feet from her but his sense of justice is so screwed up he doesn't override the Captain's order. And yet, you want to fault the Stormcloaks for not speaking up.
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F_Galikanokus
Posted 12/5/2012 9:27:43 AM
Like I said the other day, this is the Skyrim board, you're not allowed to prefer the Stormcloaks over the Imperials or Skyrim over New Vegas.
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jrr18
Posted 12/5/2012 9:31:29 AM
Brenz0r posted...
On the flipside if you side with the empire you get Maven Black-briar as Jarl of Riften which is a horrible person to be in charge of a hold.

Maven controls Riften regardless of whether or not she's the Jarl. It's a superfluous appointment in her case.


Also the jarl she repalce disowened her son for calling ulfric out on his power trip.
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suksass
Posted 12/5/2012 9:38:06 AM
obishawn posted...
suksass posted...
Ulfric will overlook anything happening to the other people so long as they not Nords. Tulius will in the very least not be able to close his eyes on it do to his militarstic notions.


But Tullius will close his eyes when the Thalmor outright execute anyone they claim worships Talos and that's ok and justifiable, right?


Not anyone they claim. I'm sure they need at least some sort of proof.



The nords threatening the Dunmer maiden proove just why Stormcloacks cannot be trusted.


Because a few Nords who are not part of the military or governing body represent that government and military? Nice logic.


From my characters point of view including what he had seen before coming to windhelm that and the rest of SC suporters that's certainly enough. Judge king by his action and people.

To thouse claiming that Ulfric defeated the old high jarl in honorable combat is a lie. You forget what ''Honorable'' means. In here he simply shouted the king,there was no duel to speak off. Otherwise why not have dragonborn be high jarl. Definetly powerfull enough to shout everyone to death.
Aurawhisperer
Posted 12/5/2012 10:35:37 AM
And as i said before, if you want to talk about racisim, look at the high elves stand point about humans. They are just as bad; worse than the nords.

The Imperial, after the loss of their emperor from the oblivion crisis, has crumbled to what you call a corrupt governer system and the nords are only revolutionizing against them; even though Ulfric is more like going after the throne.
Rikashi
Posted 12/5/2012 10:38:20 AM
F_Galikanokus posted...
Like I said the other day, this is the Skyrim board, you're not allowed to prefer the Stormcloaks over the Imperials or Skyrim over New Vegas.


What is it that makes you so obsessed with mentioning New Vegas every chance you get?
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