The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
I don't understand how people can side with the imperials
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Shaminardrgn posted... suksass posted...Shaminardrgn posted...The only real problem siding with the Imperials is that Maven Black-Briar becomes Jarl of Riften. Doesn't count. We are speaking of vanila game since mods are not really part of the world. | |
EmblemWarrior posted... Aurawhisperer posted...There is no who is better system. Both are corrupt, but I side with the Stormcloaks more. They were founders of Skyrim, and bred it to be a Nord territory; until the Empire stepped in. Technicaly Nords didn't find skyrim. They just killed forsworn for the land and renamed it. | |
supersonic953 posted... I still stand by my beliefs in this whole issue: First. Every choice sucks. When you choose a politician you have the same problem. Second. You choose a bunch of idiots who are weakening both countries and play into Thalmor hands. If empire could fight Thalmor to stalemate only when it had both skyrim and hammerfell on it's side then Nords alone don't stand a chance. They will fall. And if your not Nord, they will kick you out of Skyrim. Are you telling beetween corupt president and rasist power hungry president you would choose the power hungry one? I hope we are not in the same country. It's going to suck to be you after your vote wins. | |
obishawn posted... BurstBear posted...Everyone that joins the stormcloaks, please, keep in mind they do not stand up for you. Even at the chopping block none are willing to note that you're a stranger to them and they have no idea who the hell you are. Ah, so it's perfectly fine to allow innocent people to die because it's honorable according his culture.. Okay then, yeah, that's a wonderful argument. And again, Ralof essential sends you across a roof and says "We'll catch up later." He has a person currently under order to be executed with no way to defend themselves jump out a building and leaves them on their own. Alduin chasing you doesn't happen until after he sends you off on your own out a window, alone, with your arms tied, under orders to be executed. He may offer you the chance to join up later, but that doesn't change the fact that's already abandoned you once. As for Tulius' ignoring the "not on the list" aspect, there are numerous things I could argue in regards to that (busy debriefing soldiers and thus doesn't hear, too wrapped up in finally ending the war to be listening, etc etc), but I will admit there's no ingame evidence for that. Doesn't really change the fact that once things go to hell he tells you to run and couldn't care less about you having been found with the stormcloaks. | |
Ah, so it's perfectly fine to allow innocent people to die because it's honorable according his culture.. Okay then, yeah, that's a wonderful argument. Good job only reading part of what I said. They knew there was nothing they could do, nothing they could say. Lokir's death was proof of that. And again, Ralof essential sends you across a roof and says "We'll catch up later." He has a person currently under order to be executed with no way to defend themselves jump out a building and leaves them on their own. Ralof was under no obligation whatsoever to look after the player. He was a prisoner sentenced to death himself. You were cornered in the tower, Ralof saw an escape, an opportunity and told you to take it. Alduin chasing you doesn't happen until after he sends you off on your own out a window, alone, with your arms tied, under orders to be executed. How dramatic, over-the-top and redundant! Yep, typical selfish mentality of people these days: exaggerate the truth to make everyone think you're a poor, innocent, helpless victim. He may offer you the chance to join up later, but that doesn't change the fact that's already abandoned you once. You don't know what happened to Ralof after you jumped from the tower. You're speculating based on your "I'm a victim" mentality (or out of a desire to villainize the Stormcloaks, or both). As I said, he saw an opportunity for you and allowed you to escape first instead of taking that opportunity for himself. As for Tulius' ignoring the "not on the list" aspect, there are numerous things I could argue in regards to that (busy debriefing soldiers and thus doesn't hear, too wrapped up in finally ending the war to be listening, etc etc), but I will admit there's no ingame evidence for that. Actually, there is. You can plainly see Tullius standing not even ten feet away not doing a damn thing! Doesn't really change the fact that once things go to hell he tells you to run and couldn't care less about you having been found with the stormcloaks. Good job missing my point. Even though Tullius is the military governor, the top Imperial guy in Skyrim, even though he made no objections to your execution, nor did he give Ulfric a fair trial, you think the Stormcloaks are worse because they didn't try to pointlessly prevent your death? Tullius stood by and gave silent consent. --- Winter is coming | |
I chose the Empire so I could listen to Colonel Tigh's voice all day long | |
suksass posted... EmblemWarrior posted...Aurawhisperer posted...There is no who is better system. Both are corrupt, but I side with the Stormcloaks more. They were founders of Skyrim, and bred it to be a Nord territory; until the Empire stepped in. Uhh, no. The Nedes (precursors to both Nords and Bretons/Reachmen) came from Atmora and drove the Falmer into near-extinction. But he's right that the Stormcloaks did not "found Skyrim." I'm not sure how so many ignorant people got the idea that the Empire is an INVADING force in this game...Babby's first TES i guess. --- Rebel is pretty much a planet, pulling all sorts of moons and satellites his way, among them good, bad, foolish, trollish, and everything else - SeaArrKing | |
funkadelius posted... suksass posted...funkadelius posted...In my opinion the Stormcloaks and the Empire both suck. They are both weak, corrupt, petty and short sighted. That's why the Thalmor were able almost wipe out the empire in the first place. Someone needs to dig up Uriel Septim and dead thrall him, because zombie Uriel would be a far better leader than the mooks running things now. Mede was a better Emperor than 90% of the Septim line, including Tiber himself. --- Rebel is pretty much a planet, pulling all sorts of moons and satellites his way, among them good, bad, foolish, trollish, and everything else - SeaArrKing | |
But he's right that the Stormcloaks did not "found Skyrim." I'm not sure how so many ignorant people got the idea that the Empire is an INVADING force in this game... Maybe they think "Nord" and "Stormcloak" are synonymous. --- Winter is coming | |
RebelElite791 posted... funkadelius posted...suksass posted...funkadelius posted...In my opinion the Stormcloaks and the Empire both suck. They are both weak, corrupt, petty and short sighted. That's why the Thalmor were able almost wipe out the empire in the first place. Someone needs to dig up Uriel Septim and dead thrall him, because zombie Uriel would be a far better leader than the mooks running things now. Didn't Mede fail to act on the intelligence gathered by the blades, make poor use of his military assets, and sign a treaty that would alienate his allies? Perhaps he handled the civil war well by sending Tulius to deal with it. I do agree that he was a far better emperor than many of the Septims, but that's no great feat considering he was competing with people like Pelagius the Mad. |
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