I don't understand how people can side with the imperials

#261R41NB0W-D45HPosted 12/11/2012 2:28:03 PM
SilentS89 posted...
R41NB0W-D45H posted...
SilentS89 posted...
R41NB0W-D45H posted...
As much as I agree with the sentiment behind your propaganda, this is wrong. Nobody in Sovngarde cares

You raise a good point, however I would like to respond to something a little more off topic.

Your sig

Saying that you broke Rule 34, I disagree.

rule #34 states "If it exists there IS porn of it"

I would ague that you do not, in fact, exist.
For if you did, there would be porn of it.


But I broke the rule, meaning it does not apply to me. I exist, but there is no porn of me. Anywhere, not even off the internet.


Its OK, I was joking.


You better have been. I've been breaking rules since before the country you were born in was a country. I'll be damned if I'll let some upstart like you tell me how rules work.

Despite the frosty tone, I am joking. Didn't know if it needed to be stated or not.
---
Breakin' rules since the seventeenth century.
I broke Rule 34. There is no porn of me on the internet.
#262suksassPosted 12/11/2012 2:32:21 PM
TheBestFaller posted...
suksass posted...

Empire didn't choose civil war. . But they chose the one which presented the smallest risk. Would war against thalmor be a better option? I doub't it.


So they didn't choose civil war, instead they chose civil war? Do you even believe half the stuff that comes out of your mouth?


Yes it seems I need to clarify. The empire could have listened to Ulfric and had to go to war with Thalmor 100% chance. Or they could ignore him (if he did not take matters in his own hands which he did,) and have a chance of civil war on their hands. They may have chosen to risk it but ultimately it was Ulfric's decision to start a civil war, not Empires. But I do admit that Empire played an important part in that decision.
#263MonkeyMagic34Posted 12/11/2012 2:41:14 PM
R41NB0W-D45H posted...
KillerSlaw posted...
I could choose Stormcloaks because of how horribly the Empire has fallen, or I can choose the Empire because of how dishonorable Ulfrics actions are.

Most times I choose Empire simply because I feel Ulfric isn't worthy to wear the crown.


Yet Elisif is? Somebody who's only a Jarl because she married one?


Well, Elisif isn't a sleeper agent for the Thalmor. She's got that going for her. And she's not racist. Either way, she's proven to be a well enough leader that Solitude has not fallen apart under her rule -- unlike Riften, for example.

Personally, I think Brunwulf Free-Winter is much more worthy to be Jarl of Windhelm than Ulfric Stormcloak. Argonians are not forced to live outside the gates of his Windhelm. That's what fuels my crusade for the Empire. Additionally, the Temple of Talos in Windhelm is not shut down even under Imperial rule.

Also, like I said earlier, the Empire's very existence is a form of Talos worship. Tiber Septim, its founder, is Talos, after all. Nobody seemed to reply to it, and I think it was a good point, dammit.
#264TheBestFallerPosted 12/11/2012 2:43:23 PM
suksass posted...
The empire could have listened to Ulfric and had to go to war with Thalmor 100% chance. .


Pretty high percentage for speculation.
---
I store dead bodies all up under my house and every night I hear them runnin' they mouths.
#265obishawnPosted 12/11/2012 2:43:32 PM
suksass posted...
TheBestFaller posted...
suksass posted...

Empire didn't choose civil war. . But they chose the one which presented the smallest risk. Would war against thalmor be a better option? I doub't it.


So they didn't choose civil war, instead they chose civil war? Do you even believe half the stuff that comes out of your mouth?


Yes it seems I need to clarify. The empire could have listened to Ulfric and had to go to war with Thalmor 100% chance. Or they could ignore him (if he did not take matters in his own hands which he did,) and have a chance of civil war on their hands. They may have chosen to risk it but ultimately it was Ulfric's decision to start a civil war, not Empires. But I do admit that Empire played an important part in that decision.


Ulfric started a war for independence, the Empire views it as a civil war. Regardless, the Empire chose to go to war with its own people instead of forming a temporary alliance in order to deal with the Thalmor.

Yes, the Empire chose war.

They knew all about Ulfric and did nothing, then want to get pissed once he finally took action? Dumb. Someone said, "The Empire sees the bigger picture.". What a bunch of crap.

By going to war with its own people, it has weakened itself, which is what the Thalmor wanted all along; but Ulfric is the tool for playing into Thalmor plans and the Empire does no wrong. The civil war will cause more harm than good for the Empire in the bigger picture or the smaller picture. They were fools for choosing war of truce.
---
Winter is coming
#266suksassPosted 12/11/2012 2:47:04 PM
TheBestFaller posted...
suksass posted...
The empire could have listened to Ulfric and had to go to war with Thalmor 100% chance. .


Pretty high percentage for speculation.


Ok so it's too high. but it was still a greater chance then civil war.
#267obishawnPosted 12/11/2012 2:49:40 PM
MonkeyMagic34 posted...
the Empire's very existence is a form of Talos worship. Tiber Septim, its founder, is Talos, after all. Nobody seemed to reply to it, and I think it was a good point, dammit.


The Empire isn't what it once was under Septim reign, especially under Tiber. Its falling apart. The signing of the White-Gold Concordat was a slap in Tiber's face, a big fat middle finger pointed at the sky. The Empire, as it is in Skyrim, is a Thalmor puppet. To claim that " very existence is a form of Talos worship" is delusional.
---
Winter is coming
#268obishawnPosted 12/11/2012 2:52:54 PM
suksass posted...
TheBestFaller posted...
suksass posted...
The empire could have listened to Ulfric and had to go to war with Thalmor 100% chance. .


Pretty high percentage for speculation.


Ok so it's too high. but it was still a greater chance then civil war.


The Empire could have taken any road but they chose civil war. BestFaller already presented a very viable solution: let Skyrim secede under terms that they ally themselves against the Thalmor.

The Thalmor wouldn't like it, but that doesn't mean that they'd initiate an immediate war.
---
Winter is coming
#269SilentS89Posted 12/11/2012 2:55:14 PM
R41NB0W-D45H posted...
SilentS89 posted...
R41NB0W-D45H posted...
SilentS89 posted...
R41NB0W-D45H posted...
As much as I agree with the sentiment behind your propaganda, this is wrong. Nobody in Sovngarde cares

You raise a good point, however I would like to respond to something a little more off topic.

Your sig

Saying that you broke Rule 34, I disagree.

rule #34 states "If it exists there IS porn of it"

I would ague that you do not, in fact, exist.
For if you did, there would be porn of it.


But I broke the rule, meaning it does not apply to me. I exist, but there is no porn of me. Anywhere, not even off the internet.


Its OK, I was joking.


You better have been. I've been breaking rules since before the country you were born in was a country. I'll be damned if I'll let some upstart like you tell me how rules work.

Despite the frosty tone, I am joking. Didn't know if it needed to be stated or not.


Its cool, arguing with someone that they don't exist is a difficult prospect. I mean I could probably convince some people you don't exist but I doubt I could convince you.
#270R41NB0W-D45HPosted 12/11/2012 2:56:58 PM
MonkeyMagic34 posted...
Well, Elisif isn't a sleeper agent for the Thalmor. She's got that going for her. And she's not racist. Either way, she's proven to be a well enough leader that Solitude has not fallen apart under her rule -- unlike Riften, for example.


Mind showing me some proof that Ulfric's a sleeper agent? Something in-game, if you wouldn't mind. Some actual evidence that he's racist too while you're at it, please.

That aside, the only reason Solitude hasn't fallen apart under her rule is because her advisers do all the work for her. This is proven when first meeting her, when she reallocates an entire detachment to solve a problem, without confirming that there even is a problem in the first place. During a war. The only thing that makes her a better leader than Siddgeir - Another Jarl whose hold hasn't fallen apart - is the fact that she isn't corrupt.
---
Breakin' rules since the seventeenth century.
I broke Rule 34. There is no porn of me on the internet.