I don't understand how people can side with the imperials

#281R41NB0W-D45HPosted 12/11/2012 4:08:48 PM
TheBestFaller posted...
R41NB0W-D45H posted...
Mind showing me some proof that Ulfric's a sleeper agent? Something in-game, if you wouldn't mind. Some actual evidence that he's racist too while you're at it, please.


Thalmor Dossier on Ulfric talks about how he's a slave to the Thalmor, and he himself forces the Dunmer to live in the Grey Quarter, no matter what they do HE refuses to let them better their lives.


http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Thalmor_Dossier%3A_Ulfric_Stormcloak

Status: Asset (uncooperative)

And please show me exactly where it states anywhere that he personally refuses to let them better their lives.
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#282clone11Posted 12/11/2012 4:09:10 PM
xSCMx posted...
Think of this as Pokemon. The Dominion challenged the Empire to a battle. This battle was so hard that eventually both trainers decided it was a tie. The empire wants to go back and secretly train to the next time there is a fight, it can easily beat the opponent, but now some of the pokemon (Stormcloaks), want to fight the AD singlehandedly, but the Empire is trying to stop it, since it knows the Stormcloaks will get easily overrun, and the Empire will be weaker.


This is the best analogy ever.
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#283TheBestFallerPosted 12/11/2012 4:09:24 PM
xSCMx posted...
Think of this as Pokemon. The Dominion challenged the Empire to a battle. This battle was so hard that eventually both trainers decided it was a tie. The empire wants to go back and secretly train to the next time there is a fight, it can easily beat the opponent, but now some of the pokemon (Stormcloaks), want to fight the AD singlehandedly, but the Empire is trying to stop it, since it knows the Stormcloaks will get easily overrun, and the Empire will be weaker.


1. It wasn't a "tie", the Empire lost.
2. Hammerfell did fine w/o the Empire, why is everyone so sure Skyrim will fail?
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#284obishawnPosted 12/11/2012 4:09:25 PM
Temporary alliance with independant skyrim wouldn't bring anything for Empire.


The Empire is wasting time, men, money and resources fighting a war against its own citizens that could have been avoided. Ulfric gave them time. They knew he was a bomb ready to explode and yet he gave them time to do something, anything. Any action that showed an effort. Yes, I believe if they would have offered him an olive branch, he would have taken it, not without terms, of course, but it still would have been a form of peace.

So, not only would the Empire not wasted time, men, money and resources, but they would have gain the other 50% of Skyrim as allies against the Thalmor.
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#285suksassPosted 12/11/2012 4:10:22 PM
TheBestFaller posted...
suksass posted...
cut your loses and move on. Thats what empire did.


Except they did the exact opposite. You really have to be trying to be this contradictory.


Loosing entire province would mean greater loss.
#286RebelElite791Posted 12/11/2012 4:12:44 PM
TheBestFaller posted...
xSCMx posted...
Think of this as Pokemon. The Dominion challenged the Empire to a battle. This battle was so hard that eventually both trainers decided it was a tie. The empire wants to go back and secretly train to the next time there is a fight, it can easily beat the opponent, but now some of the pokemon (Stormcloaks), want to fight the AD singlehandedly, but the Empire is trying to stop it, since it knows the Stormcloaks will get easily overrun, and the Empire will be weaker.


1. It wasn't a "tie", the Empire lost.
2. Hammerfell did fine w/o the Empire, why is everyone so sure Skyrim will fail?


Dude...what?

The Empire won the last big victory of the war. They did not "lose."

Hammerfell fought them to a standstill, DECIMATING HALF THEIR PROVINCE IN THE PROCESS. They did NOT "do fine." It's likely the AD didnt even want Hammerfell anyways, but just to further splinter the Empire.
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#287suksassPosted 12/11/2012 4:14:01 PM
TheBestFaller posted...
xSCMx posted...
Think of this as Pokemon. The Dominion challenged the Empire to a battle. This battle was so hard that eventually both trainers decided it was a tie. The empire wants to go back and secretly train to the next time there is a fight, it can easily beat the opponent, but now some of the pokemon (Stormcloaks), want to fight the AD singlehandedly, but the Empire is trying to stop it, since it knows the Stormcloaks will get easily overrun, and the Empire will be weaker.


1. It wasn't a "tie", the Empire lost.
2. Hammerfell did fine w/o the Empire, why is everyone so sure Skyrim will fail?


I think someone posted allready why Hammerfell did fine. Too lazy to look back but it was something about Empire winning some major battle and leaving a great chunk of it's forces in Hammerfell
#288RebelElite791Posted 12/11/2012 4:15:13 PM
suksass posted...
TheBestFaller posted...
xSCMx posted...
Think of this as Pokemon. The Dominion challenged the Empire to a battle. This battle was so hard that eventually both trainers decided it was a tie. The empire wants to go back and secretly train to the next time there is a fight, it can easily beat the opponent, but now some of the pokemon (Stormcloaks), want to fight the AD singlehandedly, but the Empire is trying to stop it, since it knows the Stormcloaks will get easily overrun, and the Empire will be weaker.


1. It wasn't a "tie", the Empire lost.
2. Hammerfell did fine w/o the Empire, why is everyone so sure Skyrim will fail?


I think someone posted allready why Hammerfell did fine. Too lazy to look back but it was something about Empire winning some major battle and leaving a great chunk of it's forces in Hammerfell


They didn't do fine, but yes, it's likely they wouldnt have done as well without the Legion that was left there.
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#289TheBestFallerPosted 12/11/2012 4:15:17 PM
RebelElite791 posted...
Dude...what?

The Empire won the last big victory of the war. They did not "lose."


Th terms of the "treaty" call for the Empire to abandon Talos worship and parts of Hammerfell, while the Dominion does what exactly? Yeah, that's a fair treaty, not a surrender.

Also, isn't the goal of the Thalmor to unmake the earth anyways? So why then is it important if hammerfell decimated their land, isn't that and victory still better than non-existence?
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#290zeroboboPosted 12/11/2012 4:16:01 PM
RebelElite791 posted...
TheBestFaller posted...
xSCMx posted...
Think of this as Pokemon. The Dominion challenged the Empire to a battle. This battle was so hard that eventually both trainers decided it was a tie. The empire wants to go back and secretly train to the next time there is a fight, it can easily beat the opponent, but now some of the pokemon (Stormcloaks), want to fight the AD singlehandedly, but the Empire is trying to stop it, since it knows the Stormcloaks will get easily overrun, and the Empire will be weaker.


1. It wasn't a "tie", the Empire lost.
2. Hammerfell did fine w/o the Empire, why is everyone so sure Skyrim will fail?


Dude...what?

The Empire won the last big victory of the war. They did not "lose."

Hammerfell fought them to a standstill, DECIMATING HALF THEIR PROVINCE IN THE PROCESS. They did NOT "do fine." It's likely the AD didnt even want Hammerfell anyways, but just to further splinter the Empire.


yeah, they spent a decade and lost countless troops attempting to take over a province they didnt even want LOL
with enemies like that, who needs an empire?
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