I don't understand how people can side with the imperials

#71jrr18Posted 12/4/2012 3:02:31 PM
TheBestFaller posted...
jrr18 posted...
ulfrics battle plane is stupid he started the war not the empire and him attacking the empier is like the USA invading China While a alian warship is getting ready to wipe out humanity it supid and ulfrics a moron.


Can I get a translator please?


no no you cant.
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#72Jstretch19Posted 12/4/2012 3:08:21 PM(edited)
jrr18 posted...
Ulfric's battle plan is stupid, he started the war not the empire. Him attacking the Empire is like the Confederacy re-seceding while the U.S. is about to go to war with China. Its stupid and Ulfric's a moron.


Fixed for more appropriate scenario & less grammatical stupidity.
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#73Bigj089Posted 12/4/2012 3:06:12 PM
TheBestFaller posted...
Bigj089 posted...
The Empire is doing what they would do naturally with a rebellion and the Stormcloaks are being played against them by the Thalmor.


If the Empire was so concerned about pushing back against the Thalmor, they'd have looked at options other than war. They could have granted Skyrim it's independence and forged an alliance against the Thalmor, instead they chose war.


And Ulfric could have looked at other options besides eyeing the throne and starting a rebellion to get it. When a place you control rebels you don't just say "ok you win." and hope they will help you in return. You take control again. And if anyone chose war it was Ulfric.
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#74TheBestFallerPosted 12/4/2012 3:08:07 PM
Jstretch19 posted...
jrr18 posted...
Ulfric's battle plan is stupid, he started the war not the empire. Him attacking the Empire is like the Confederacy re-seceding while the U.S. is about to go to war with China it stupid and Ulfric's a moron.


Fixed for more appropriate scenario & less grammatical stupidity.


Thanks. What's this about the Nords attacking those who have invaded their country? Thought that was considered defense. Again,m I reiterate that the Empire could have given Skyrim it's independence without actually "losing" them. Instead, they decide to try and force them to stay, only serving to drive a wedge further between them.
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#75strifechug2Posted 12/4/2012 3:08:13 PM
inafterOmigoshTuliusiswaaaaybetterthanAssfric.
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#76CRK44Posted 12/4/2012 3:11:50 PM
KogaSteelfang posted...
The Stormcloaks started the war, commited high treason/murder, are racist, and are entirely responsible for the situation you're put in at the start of the game.
They're responsible for the entire situation that happens at the start.

The Imperials are simply doing their duty and executing a war criminal, alongside his cohorts.
You're in the cart with them, even if you're not on the list, they have to assume you're involved somehow.

I blame the carriage driver for picking up a hitch hiker while escorting prisoners to the execution site, then not speaking up when they think you're a criminal too.

Either way, I've joined both sides, and I have to say, I hated working with the stormcloaks. I enjoyed the Imperial side.
There's no reason to hate one side for trying to kill you when almost everyone wants to kill you in this game.


Ulfric challenged the High King, which is allowed, and an ancient tradition. Its not treason. The High King was a noob at fighting, sorry. Your argument is extremely biased.

I actually hate both. I've stayed neutral more times than I have joined a side. It seems out of place for the DRAGONBORN to join either sides...most builds I've made.
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#77TheBestFallerPosted 12/4/2012 3:12:46 PM
Bigj089 posted...
And Ulfric could have looked at other options besides eyeing the throne and starting a rebellion to get it. When a place you control rebels you don't just say "ok you win." and hope they will help you in return. You take control again. And if anyone chose war it was Ulfric.


So you're saying they lost control, and had to step in and take it back, right? At which point it's no longer their territory, I.e. they are invading it. And why would anyone choose to be under Imperial rule when they've shown they can't win, and Hammerfell has shown you'r better off without them anyways. What other option is there besides secession/rebellion?
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#78Bigj089Posted 12/4/2012 3:19:27 PM
TheBestFaller posted...
Bigj089 posted...
And Ulfric could have looked at other options besides eyeing the throne and starting a rebellion to get it. When a place you control rebels you don't just say "ok you win." and hope they will help you in return. You take control again. And if anyone chose war it was Ulfric.


So you're saying they lost control, and had to step in and take it back, right? At which point it's no longer their territory, I.e. they are invading it. And why would anyone choose to be under Imperial rule when they've shown they can't win, and Hammerfell has shown you'r better off without them anyways. What other option is there besides secession/rebellion?


Youve got to be kidding me. Part of Skyrims populace was rebelling against them, not the entire thing. It was still part of the Empire so there was no invading it. Also I guess the Battle of the Red Ring was a loss then. Hammerfell faught the Dominion to a stalemate with soldiers that were left behind to help defend it and IIRC labeled as deserters back home.

Maybe not killing the high king and weakening your country and empire for more political power maybe?
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#79Offworlder1Posted 12/4/2012 3:19:48 PM
Hammerfall was abandoned because the empire is trying to keep the peace treaty with the thalmor, Hammerfall was/is beating the thalmor back and they were not pleased with the empire not doing anything cause in truth the empire hates the thalmor for good reason. They have most imperials say they are against the thalmor but to prevent another war while weak will keep the peace, thats also why the Skyrim civil war is really bad as the thalmor are hurting both the empire and the stormclaoks by orchestrating the civil war to begin with.

Ulfric's passion for Skyrim is nice and all but he is a fool for only caring about the nords and the heck with any other race, the empire is trying to rebuild to fight the thalmor. Is the empire at it's weakest yeah but a civil war helps no one as the stormcloaks could never hope to fight back the entire Aldmeri Dominion with just Skyrim under stormcloak control.

If the stormcloaks win the civil war the fact is the thalmor are the true victors as the empire kept everyone united and a true threat to the Aldmeri Dominion, but if the empire is weak and weakened even more with the civil war, plus being forced to give up Hammerfell. A house divided can not stand and while the empire is very weak at this time it is still a threat to the thalmor or they would not have caused the skyrim civil war.
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#80Ertrick36Posted 12/4/2012 3:25:41 PM
This is probably one of the most political topics to pick from Skyrim, and I am glad someone brought it up. I personally think that the whole entire side-picking thing in Skyrim is dependent on your political views. How I see it is that the Imperials lean left in a lot of aspects (e.g. they don't stick to "old world" values like the worship of Talos, and they want to unify the entirety of the Empire against the Thalmor), whereas the Stormcloaks are very Conservative (e.g. they worship the old ways, are kind of xenophobic, and want to defeat the Thalmor with their own might rather than with diplomacy of the Empire). Whether you side with one or the other is up for interpretation, and if you've played both ways (siding with the Imperials and then the Stormcloaks, or vice-versa), you'll have a different interpretation of what is the right way to go. That is the beauty of this game, and it is almost like poetry in a way. Of course, there are more factors into how you pick a side (e.g. the border pick up and execution turns you off from the Imperials), but it is a fairly clear-cut political topic.

That being said, I haven't read any comments, but I'm sure this entire board is full of nothing but flaming and a massive amount of arguing. It'll be just like the presidential election of the U.S., and I find that both hilarious and horrifying. It's just too bad no one can bring themselves to respect each others' opinions these days...
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