Stormcloaks or Imperials

#21darkninja587(Topic Creator)Posted 12/11/2012 5:29:16 PM
MonkeyMagic34 posted...
Like I said in the other thread about this same topic, yes, many, but not all, of the Stormcloaks are racist. That many includes Ulfric.

"The Dark Elves are confined to a cramped slum below the rest of Windhelm called the Gray Quarter. The elves are not violently persecuted, but the local Nords are suspicious and outwardly xenophobic, and Ulfric Stormcloak turns a blind eye to their plight. Argonians also populate Windhelm, but are prohibited from entering the city itself and are forced to live and work on the docks outside the city walls."

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Windhelm


What does this prove about anything? I said it myself Ulfric is racist no denying that a god 65% of Stormcloaks are racist but not every nord is racist. Many Presidents were obviously racist im pretty sure alot of American soldiers are racist doesn't mean every American is racist
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#22RebelElite791Posted 12/11/2012 5:29:24 PM
DzxSaints posted...
Talos was outlawed by the White Gold Concordat, not the Empire. If the Empire never signed to the terms presented by the Aldmeri Dominion, Skyrim would most likely be in ruins. As clone11 stated, the Imperials also worship Talos, but secretly.

If Emperor Titus Mede II never signed the White Gold Concordat, Skyrim would be obliterated, Ulfric would be in prison and/or be dead, and the Empire would be in a worse situation then they are now.

Ulfric and Tullius are both wrong. Tullius believes that a United Empire will be better than a rebellion, but we already see what happened to them during the Great War. Ulfric is wrong because the last thing that the Empire needs is a rebellion to deal with.

The Redguards were also not forced to sign the White Gold Concordat. They did not sign it, thus forcing the Empire to disband them as a province. This was just a means to sustain the peace present due to the treaty.

The Thalmor are the bullies, the Empire are the ones getting bullied, and the Stormcloaks are just making things worse.

The Stormcloaks starting the Civil War will injure the stability of Skyrim, making it even easier to conquer in the near future.

BOTH sides are wrong. The war is pointless and will just harm the overall stability of Skyrim as a province.


Actually the Thalmor was almost certainly bluffing about their strength at that time, and the Empire bought it.
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#23EmblemWarriorPosted 12/11/2012 5:31:39 PM
RebelElite791 posted...
DzxSaints posted...
Talos was outlawed by the White Gold Concordat, not the Empire. If the Empire never signed to the terms presented by the Aldmeri Dominion, Skyrim would most likely be in ruins. As clone11 stated, the Imperials also worship Talos, but secretly.

If Emperor Titus Mede II never signed the White Gold Concordat, Skyrim would be obliterated, Ulfric would be in prison and/or be dead, and the Empire would be in a worse situation then they are now.

Ulfric and Tullius are both wrong. Tullius believes that a United Empire will be better than a rebellion, but we already see what happened to them during the Great War. Ulfric is wrong because the last thing that the Empire needs is a rebellion to deal with.

The Redguards were also not forced to sign the White Gold Concordat. They did not sign it, thus forcing the Empire to disband them as a province. This was just a means to sustain the peace present due to the treaty.

The Thalmor are the bullies, the Empire are the ones getting bullied, and the Stormcloaks are just making things worse.

The Stormcloaks starting the Civil War will injure the stability of Skyrim, making it even easier to conquer in the near future.

BOTH sides are wrong. The war is pointless and will just harm the overall stability of Skyrim as a province.


Actually the Thalmor was almost certainly bluffing about their strength at that time, and the Empire bought it.


the problem was even if they were, the Empire had no strength left either. both sides mutually Annihilated each other in a battle worthy of King Phyrrus of Epiros.
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#24DzxSaintsPosted 12/11/2012 5:32:02 PM
RebelElite791 posted...
DzxSaints posted...
Talos was outlawed by the White Gold Concordat, not the Empire. If the Empire never signed to the terms presented by the Aldmeri Dominion, Skyrim would most likely be in ruins. As clone11 stated, the Imperials also worship Talos, but secretly.

If Emperor Titus Mede II never signed the White Gold Concordat, Skyrim would be obliterated, Ulfric would be in prison and/or be dead, and the Empire would be in a worse situation then they are now.

Ulfric and Tullius are both wrong. Tullius believes that a United Empire will be better than a rebellion, but we already see what happened to them during the Great War. Ulfric is wrong because the last thing that the Empire needs is a rebellion to deal with.

The Redguards were also not forced to sign the White Gold Concordat. They did not sign it, thus forcing the Empire to disband them as a province. This was just a means to sustain the peace present due to the treaty.

The Thalmor are the bullies, the Empire are the ones getting bullied, and the Stormcloaks are just making things worse.

The Stormcloaks starting the Civil War will injure the stability of Skyrim, making it even easier to conquer in the near future.

BOTH sides are wrong. The war is pointless and will just harm the overall stability of Skyrim as a province.


Actually the Thalmor was almost certainly bluffing about their strength at that time, and the Empire bought it.

Oops, looks like I overlooked that part of it. Either way, the war is still pointless. It is just putting Skyrim in a position worse than it already is.
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#25deadpool223Posted 12/11/2012 5:32:47 PM
darkninja587 posted...
MonkeyMagic34 posted...
Like I said in the other thread about this same topic, yes, many, but not all, of the Stormcloaks are racist. That many includes Ulfric.

"The Dark Elves are confined to a cramped slum below the rest of Windhelm called the Gray Quarter. The elves are not violently persecuted, but the local Nords are suspicious and outwardly xenophobic, and Ulfric Stormcloak turns a blind eye to their plight. Argonians also populate Windhelm, but are prohibited from entering the city itself and are forced to live and work on the docks outside the city walls."

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Windhelm


What does this prove about anything? I said it myself Ulfric is racist no denying that a god 65% of Stormcloaks are racist but not every nord is racist. Many Presidents were obviously racist im pretty sure alot of American soldiers are racist doesn't mean every American is racist


interestingly, to one of the racist nords, should someone of a different race prove themselves so to speak, they would just be called nords. probably to there chagrin.
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#26RebelElite791Posted 12/11/2012 5:32:54 PM
EmblemWarrior posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
DzxSaints posted...
Talos was outlawed by the White Gold Concordat, not the Empire. If the Empire never signed to the terms presented by the Aldmeri Dominion, Skyrim would most likely be in ruins. As clone11 stated, the Imperials also worship Talos, but secretly.

If Emperor Titus Mede II never signed the White Gold Concordat, Skyrim would be obliterated, Ulfric would be in prison and/or be dead, and the Empire would be in a worse situation then they are now.

Ulfric and Tullius are both wrong. Tullius believes that a United Empire will be better than a rebellion, but we already see what happened to them during the Great War. Ulfric is wrong because the last thing that the Empire needs is a rebellion to deal with.

The Redguards were also not forced to sign the White Gold Concordat. They did not sign it, thus forcing the Empire to disband them as a province. This was just a means to sustain the peace present due to the treaty.

The Thalmor are the bullies, the Empire are the ones getting bullied, and the Stormcloaks are just making things worse.

The Stormcloaks starting the Civil War will injure the stability of Skyrim, making it even easier to conquer in the near future.

BOTH sides are wrong. The war is pointless and will just harm the overall stability of Skyrim as a province.


Actually the Thalmor was almost certainly bluffing about their strength at that time, and the Empire bought it.


the problem was even if they were, the Empire had no strength left either. both sides mutually Annihilated each other in a battle worthy of King Phyrrus of Epiros.


I'm quite aware. I'm simply pointing out that his ideas of Skyrim being destroyed and such were probably false.
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#27suksassPosted 12/11/2012 5:33:59 PM
What if they hadn't moved you into different cell in oblivion. You would continue to rot there till daedra came. Every single main character should hate Empire then rather then help it. starting with Arena you are always start as prisoner of Empire. Yet you always save it.
Both sides are doing what they believe is best. and while I side with Imperials I can see why Stormcloack deserve some respect,their leaders on the other hand. Deserve none. Cause they are just as bad as thouse who rule the Empire.
#28DzxSaintsPosted 12/11/2012 5:34:45 PM
I was using 'destroyed' somewhat loosely. When I used that term I meant that, more or less, Skyrim would be in even more trouble and in an even worse position than it is now.
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#29jrr18Posted 12/11/2012 5:37:23 PM
Empire because star destroyers are awesome Darth Vader's a badass and you get cool uniforms.
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#30darkninja587(Topic Creator)Posted 12/11/2012 5:40:29 PM
DzxSaints posted...
Talos was outlawed by the White Gold Concordat, not the Empire. If the Empire never signed to the terms presented by the Aldmeri Dominion, Skyrim would most likely be in ruins. As clone11 stated, the Imperials also worship Talos, but secretly.

If Emperor Titus Mede II never signed the White Gold Concordat, Skyrim would be obliterated, Ulfric would be in prison and/or be dead, and the Empire would be in a worse situation then they are now.

Ulfric and Tullius are both wrong. Tullius believes that a United Empire will be better than a rebellion, but we already see what happened to them during the Great War. Ulfric is wrong because the last thing that the Empire needs is a rebellion to deal with.

The Redguards were also not forced to sign the White Gold Concordat. They did not sign it, thus forcing the Empire to disband them as a province. This was just a means to sustain the peace present due to the treaty.

The Thalmor are the bullies, the Empire are the ones getting bullied, and the Stormcloaks are just making things worse.

The Stormcloaks starting the Civil War will injure the stability of Skyrim, making it even easier to conquer in the near future.

BOTH sides are wrong. The war is pointless and will just harm the overall stability of Skyrim as a province.

Skyrim never unleashed it's full army on the AD Skyrim never truly had a war with the AD they just sent reinforcements for the Empire, and just as bad as the Empire was hurt from war so was the AD who still continued to fight with Hammerfell who eventually beat them. So potentially if Skyrim started a war with the AD the could possibly win especially if they Hammerfell backed them up. So Skyrim should be aloud to leave the crumbling Empire and fight on its own they have better chance by themselves then with unorganized Empire
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