What, exactly, is wrong with casual gamers?

#131j4ckkn1fePosted 12/13/2012 6:20:03 PM
Fate_Assassin posted...
j4ckkn1fe posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Is this jackknife clown trolling?

"a game is hardcore if you have to use cookie cutter builds or you can do speedruns"?

Lolwat?


I was giving examples of what hardcore gamers did back then and differences to skyrim. There is nothing hardcore gamers can do in skyrim absolutely nothing besides a naked run on master I guess but that holds true for any game. Morrowind was hardcore because it catered to the hardcore audience. There is a reason why 80% of the time when Morrowind is brought up on the skyrim board that everyone says its ****. The skyrim board is home to casuals that disliked the game because you had to read quests ZOMG and miss attacks the first couple lvls.....I can tell you that Morrowind is not **** far from it at least in its time now although I would have to say looking back it was above average.


There is plenty of things for a "hardcore" gamer to. They just have to use their brains now. If you want have a "hardcore" mode do it yourself. "Hardcore" gamers say that they don't like how games were "dumb down" and have restrictions removed from them. Well you can make them yourself. People b***h about fast travel and no guild restrictions well no one is forcing you to use fast travel, and no one is forcing you to do everything in the game.



Well that is what I was referring to. I don't feel like it's worth it to do it myself on a game like skyrim where even if I do manage to do it. I will most likely not get as much satisfaction as I would like. My only gripe is that now instead of developers making games inherently difficult they make them easy to abroad to the wider audience. I only dislike the casuals who act like they are BA at the games out right now.

To answer the previous question. The difference in casual and hardcore gamers is obvious. The casual will most likely pick up the game and just play it for a few mins/hrs. A hardcore gamer on the other hand will most likely max the difficulty and theorycraft on min/maxing. If there is multiplayer the casual will just search for a game rather than a hardcore gamer who will try and top the leaderboards and be the best.
#132johnnycigarPosted 12/13/2012 6:20:46 PM
JustThink1st posted...
Just clarifying that the term "hardcore gamer" itself is not clearly defined. It was pretty much coined by fps fans who spent way too much time playing endless online matches. It was a defense mechanism. Hardcore gamer sounds way better then "socially inept loser". It was then borrowed by anyone who spent way too much time playing games. Anyone who genuinely enjoyed a game in reasonably spread out time periods with other healthy interests
has no reason to defend or label themselves. Anyone who feels the gaming market caters to casuals is an idiot. When games like Bioshock, Dues Ex, Portal, Braid and Limbo (among many others) are being produced at an unprecedented rate. Yes some games are made for people with no taste, so what. When a game is streamlined and cleaned up it doesn't make it less hardcore, it makes people who put 300 hours slogging through its earlier and unrefined iterations feel empty inside...oh wait, no...they're hardcore.


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#133masterpug53Posted 12/13/2012 6:21:08 PM
Wow, this topic's going places!




('around in a circle' is technically a place, right?)
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#134AkujatuPosted 12/13/2012 6:23:10 PM
johnnycigar posted...
Rampagingwalrus posted...
The majority of gamers are mid 30's, with jobs, families, and other temporal obligations.
So they can only play game "casually" as opposed to... uh... hardcore? I guess?
Nothing is wrong with casual gamers, or even casual games.
People just need something to complain about, and somebody to blame.


Hit the nail on the head. If it makes me 'casual' because I care about my kids more than Call of Duty, then I guess I'm 'casual'.

But make no mistake to all you junior high wannabe's. I was gaming when gaming was all text. Imagine that, you GRAAFFIXX fiends. You actually had to be literate and READ to play video games.


I think this post is a great indication of how most casual gamers act, period. "LOOK AT ME, I HAVE A JOB, I HAVE KIDS, I CHOSE TO DO THESE THINGS, YOU WASTE YOUR LIVES AWAY DAILY".

Not every person on this planet HAS to work. Not everyone runs out to have a child at the age of 16. Don't use your children as a scapegoat for what you choose to classify yourself as.

I know plenty of people with children, across all age groups, and many can afford to put in 8-10 hours easily while working 4-5 days a week, per day, to play games. I can't stand people that instantly scapegoat their kids as a reason for their play-style/skills, or lack thereof.
#135lorddrago88Posted 12/13/2012 6:24:38 PM
The problem isn't casual gamers, it's companies that cater to casual gamers at the expense of hardcore gamers.
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#136TaijutsuJoshuaPosted 12/13/2012 6:26:34 PM
Rampagingwalrus posted...
The majority of gamers are mid 30's, with jobs, families, and other temporal obligations.
So they can only play game "casually" as opposed to... uh... hardcore? I guess?
Nothing is wrong with casual gamers, or even casual games.
People just need something to complain about, and somebody to blame.


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#137LifeVirus1289Posted 12/13/2012 6:27:49 PM
Hardcore is a term that pretentious people give to themselves and their ilk to make it sound like they play video games in a better way than the casuals. I don't get how hardcore gaming (kind of sad when you think about it) is looked to as a good thing while being casual is not. Casual implies you focus on other activities than gaming, and tend to play games for fun, rather than the hardcores who play them for what I can only imagine is extreme self-torture.

Also, this topic is full of a lot of odd distinctions. 200+ hours is a lot of time to spend on a video game, it's over 8 days... I'd consider Skyrim a game capable of being played in a hardcore fashion. It is one of the first few video games without constantly refreshing content (like an MMO) I could spend 200 hours on and still manage to have fun.

tl;dr - If you think you're a hardcore player, you're an idiot. If you think you're a hardcore player and that casuals are inferior to you, you're also ignorant.
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#138dylmeisterPosted 12/13/2012 6:29:00 PM
lorddrago88 posted...
The problem isn't casual gamers, it's companies that cater to casual gamers at the expense of hardcore gamers.


There is no definition of a hardcore gamer, therefore a game catered to the majority of people that would buy it does not necessarily come at the expense of "hardcore gamers". People have a rough time with this way of thinking. The term "hardcore gamer" is a matter of perspective.
#139AkujatuPosted 12/13/2012 6:32:05 PM
LifeVirus1289 posted...
Hardcore is a term that pretentious people give to themselves and their ilk to make it sound like they play video games in a better way than the casuals. I don't get how hardcore gaming (kind of sad when you think about it) is looked to as a good thing while being casual is not. Casual implies you focus on other activities than gaming, and tend to play games for fun, rather than the hardcores who play them for what I can only imagine is extreme self-torture.

Also, this topic is full of a lot of odd distinctions. 200+ hours is a lot of time to spend on a video game, it's over 8 days... I'd consider Skyrim a game capable of being played in a hardcore fashion. It is one of the first few video games without constantly refreshing content (like an MMO) I could spend 200 hours on and still manage to have fun.

tl;dr - If you think you're a hardcore player, you're an idiot. If you think you're a hardcore player and that casuals are inferior to you, you're also ignorant.


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#140j4ckkn1fePosted 12/13/2012 6:32:29 PM
LifeVirus1289 posted...
Hardcore is a term that pretentious people give to themselves and their ilk to make it sound like they play video games in a better way than the casuals. I don't get how hardcore gaming (kind of sad when you think about it) is looked to as a good thing while being casual is not. Casual implies you focus on other activities than gaming, and tend to play games for fun, rather than the hardcores who play them for what I can only imagine is extreme self-torture.

Also, this topic is full of a lot of odd distinctions. 200+ hours is a lot of time to spend on a video game, it's over 8 days... I'd consider Skyrim a game capable of being played in a hardcore fashion. It is one of the first few video games without constantly refreshing content (like an MMO) I could spend 200 hours on and still manage to have fun.

tl;dr - If you think you're a hardcore player, you're an idiot. If you think you're a hardcore player and that casuals are inferior to you, you're also ignorant.


I disagree to make a clear explanation I would have to describe myself a bit.

I am extremely competitive I play games to win, be it single player or online I play to win. Instead of playing a sport in highschool I chose counter strike and warcraft 3. So playing the game is a sport to me in a sense.

So in a sense a hardcore gamer would be a professional football player("As much as it pains me to say it.") and a casual is a little leaguer.