What, exactly, is wrong with casual gamers?

#71NitharadPosted 12/13/2012 2:47:44 PM
*only directed at TC/OP without having read other comments*

I don't think you really get the problem. I don't think there're any gamers that don't have hobbies outside of gaming, and "Real life first" is a creed that is intigrated in most groups of players.

Now the problem is that casual games do have a serious impact on gaming in general. There're far more casual gamers than "core-gamers" so many devs and publishers try to capitalize on that by making their games more appealing to these casual gamers.
What follows of course is a severe dumbing down of many great series and also making them just "flashy" and going with the trends.

Casual games and gamers of course have their place in the world, in fact they're good for gamers in general !

Just 10 years ago "gamers" were considered "nerds/geeks/weirdos" etc. I was bullied everyday at school for enjoying videogames. Making fun of gamers was normal.
But now thanks to casual games everyboy is a gamer ! Gaming has become a normal hobby, making fun of gamers has become pretty uncool and unpopular.


So yeah ... casual games and gamers are completly fine, but the dumbing down of great games to appeal to these masses is just sad.
#72simonbelmont2Posted 12/13/2012 2:49:03 PM
R41NB0W-D45H posted...
simonbelmont2 posted...
That kind of sad behaviour manifests on every Gamefaqs board.


OHH, SO NOW THE GAMEFAQS HATERS COME OUT.


Lol, I actually should of said it happens on every board not just the Gamefaqs one. People love to argue I guess. Such uncivilized behaviour (smokes pipe.)
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#73drkpendragonPosted 12/13/2012 2:49:24 PM
Because game companies think that casual gamers want simple games. However, I want complex games with a lot of options, huge worlds and deep systems. The issue is, game companies see casual gamers as their primary source for large amounts of cash, so most games are simple as a result. I, for one, have little interest in simple games. Thus, most gamers who prefer complex games are upset due to the vast majority of simple games being released.
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#74Gray_wolf1119Posted 12/13/2012 2:49:38 PM
clone11 posted...
Nothing is wrong with casual gamers. I find there is more of a problem with self-proclaimed hardcore gamers. Many have this attitude that if you don't take the games as seriously as they do, you don't deserve to play them, or be taken into account by developers when they're making the games.

That's not to say that I don't think some developers might be going too far with pandering to the casual gamer, the addition of multiplayer being added to Mass Effect when it wasn't really needed being a good example.

I really don't like to label myself any kind of gamer though. I just play games, a lot. It's fun. And I find Skyrim to be a good middle-ground. I don't think it's overly casual but I don't think it's overly hardcore either.


I see Casual and Hardcore defined as knowledge of the game and time invested.

At the bolded part. Well...yeah. A casual gamer tries to dictate how the more hardcore gamers will be playing months later while only playing the game for a month or two after release and then maybe sporadically with every DLC. They dont know the complexities of the system but they try to change it anyway just to suit their preferences.I dont mind if they suggest features but to say something needs to be overhauled or changed without any knowledge or evidence needed for that change is irritatingly common and unfortunately developers seem to listen.
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#75simonbelmont2Posted 12/13/2012 2:54:41 PM
I still think that when gaming went mainstream it was obvious that some games would become more casual friendly. Devs decided to try and make games that would appeal to the less hardcore player. Some casual gamers actually embrace a challenging game even though they might not have much time to play. Some don't.
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#76jrr18Posted 12/13/2012 2:54:52 PM
drkpendragon posted...
Because game companies think that casual gamers want simple games. However, I want complex games with a lot of options, huge worlds and deep systems. The issue is, game companies see casual gamers as their primary source for large amounts of cash, so most games are simple as a result. I, for one, have little interest in simple games. Thus, most gamers who prefer complex games are upset due to the vast majority of simple games being released.


Because old school games weren't simple at all. space invaders, Pac man, Tetris, Crash bandicoot, Mario, mega man, cart racing games, and for the really old people on here Zork. Or like the old Fallout really arenít more complex then there modern version.
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#77Skul_Posted 12/13/2012 3:01:43 PM
GangstaFoLife posted...
I'm mostly casual. I play tons of games using most of my time, but I don't go hardcore on any game in particular. Usually just finish it and move on.

With skyrim I play multiple characters, but I don't go crazy with smithing, enchanting, alchemy or anything. Just get things done.

I love being casual, there's so much freedom.


Thats not casual. Nor is it hardcore. Its core, which most of us on these boards are.

There are not two different types of gamers, like many think, there is three: Casuals are the ones who barely play anything, a few games, they might play a single game quite a lot, but not play any others, or just play a couple of games not very often.

Core is the standared gamer. Gaming is one of their main hobbys, they play different types of games, and they play them a lot.

Hardcore gamers are the one who spend every waking minute gaming. They will have three maxed out 81 charactors on skyrim, 5 lv 85(?) WoW characters, 500 hours into [insert game here] and more.
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#78R41NB0W-D45HPosted 12/13/2012 3:02:50 PM
Skul_ posted...
Hardcore gamers are the one who spend every waking minute gaming. They will have three maxed out 81 charactors on skyrim, 5 lv 85(?) WoW characters, 500 hours into [insert game here] and more.


I have eight 81 characters.

Suck it.
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#79jrr18Posted 12/13/2012 3:04:29 PM
R41NB0W-D45H posted...
Skul_ posted...
Hardcore gamers are the one who spend every waking minute gaming. They will have three maxed out 81 charactors on skyrim, 5 lv 85(?) WoW characters, 500 hours into [insert game here] and more.


I have eight 81 characters.

Suck it.


Exploits dont count.
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#80clone11Posted 12/13/2012 3:06:04 PM
Gray_wolf1119 posted...
clone11 posted...
Nothing is wrong with casual gamers. I find there is more of a problem with self-proclaimed hardcore gamers. Many have this attitude that if you don't take the games as seriously as they do, you don't deserve to play them, or be taken into account by developers when they're making the games.

That's not to say that I don't think some developers might be going too far with pandering to the casual gamer, the addition of multiplayer being added to Mass Effect when it wasn't really needed being a good example.

I really don't like to label myself any kind of gamer though. I just play games, a lot. It's fun. And I find Skyrim to be a good middle-ground. I don't think it's overly casual but I don't think it's overly hardcore either.


I see Casual and Hardcore defined as knowledge of the game and time invested.

At the bolded part. Well...yeah. A casual gamer tries to dictate how the more hardcore gamers will be playing months later while only playing the game for a month or two after release and then maybe sporadically with every DLC. They dont know the complexities of the system but they try to change it anyway just to suit their preferences.I dont mind if they suggest features but to say something needs to be overhauled or changed without any knowledge or evidence needed for that change is irritatingly common and unfortunately developers seem to listen.


The thing is, the hate people are giving to the casual gamer is misplaced. I'd say that most of the time a dev is pandering to casuals, they aren't doing it because casual gamers were requesting them too. They did it because they want to sell more. Is it really fair to get angry at the gamers for it?

But I think somethings that developers do to pander to casuals can be perfectly acceptable as well, and they shouldn't be completely cut out of the equation either.

Since we're on the Skyrim board, I'll point to Skyrim as an example: things such as fast-travel is really more there for a casual gamer. Not that a hardcore gamer can use it or that it makes someone less of one for using it, but it is really something that was probably added because of casual gamers. Some people just don't have the time or don't want to take the time to walk everywhere. But, I don't see the addition of fast travel as something that is harming the hardcore gamer's experience. If you don't want to use it, you don't have to. There's even alternatives, such as the carriages, for a more "hardcore" experience.

And yet people do get angry about the inclusion of this feature, as if it's very existence is intolerable. This is the attitude I find ridiculous is hardcore gamers. I'm not really trying to say that there aren't valid reasons to be annoyed with casual gaming, I'm just saying that those reasons are rarely the ones I see.

I dunno though, I'm half-asleep, but I assume I'm making sense here.
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