Completed Soul Cairn mission feels like a slap in the face

#11FatherSuperior7Posted 1/27/2013 1:42:41 PM
RebelElite791 posted...
Bandits, evil? I certainly wouldn't say that.

And saying all Thalmor are evil seems to me akin to saying all German soldiers in WWII were evil, which is far from being the case.


Case in point, my grandfather. He was forced to fight for the Germans in WWII, but moved to the US with my grandmother afterwards. It would sound like a line of BS, but he had no qualms whatsoever about my aunt converting to Judaism for my uncle when they got married.
#12FatherSuperior7Posted 1/27/2013 1:48:07 PM
Veezara posted...
One of the first quests I did was to get The Black Star, used it to get my encganting to 100 and make money selling echanted jewelery. I thought I was still good, only trapping bandit, thalmor and a few forsworn souls, and Sibbi Black Briar. When I downloaded Dawnguard I sided with the humans to fight against the vampires. Souls in there talked about how they were put in by necromancers. Is this where I have condemned countless bandits to go? No Sovengarde after their soul has been used up. Almost feels like I should have accepted the vampire's gift. If I have condemned so many already then I can't be much worse than the vampires. Or do not all souls go there if they are trapped?


Not every vampire is overtly evil. Nor is every bandit. There are probably plenty of vampires who were infected, but fear being killed if they seek out help, preferring to safely feed upon livestock/wildlife, and there are probably just as many bandits who are only trying to feed their families. Belonging to a group doesn't change your status as a human being, only you are capable of changing yourself.
#13FOGEDABOUDITPosted 1/27/2013 2:28:57 PM
Should have just soul trapped necromancers. Poetic justice.
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#14silverhunter16Posted 1/27/2013 5:25:20 PM
Came in as a vampire and felt right at home.
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#15DuckyhunterPosted 1/27/2013 5:33:14 PM
To hell with that. Evil people deserve to sit in a bleak, badly-designed level for eternity.
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#16DuckyhunterPosted 1/27/2013 5:35:12 PM
nathraxh posted...
They needed to reinforce the fact that necromancy is evil.

It had been getting kinda-.. kiddy. I'unno, the moans of reanimated corpses and their thanks when someone finally kills them does remind you, to an extent, that necromancy causes a lot of suffering, but it was easy to just say "well, soul trapping's fine, right? It ends quickly."

Necromancy isn't something a guy should just jump into, thinking that it's a morally grey area at worst. It is evil.


Not really. Delivering evil unto evil is pretty much the "chaotic good" D&D alignment in a nutshell.

And I'll never agree with anyone that says Bethesda needs to put even more black-and-white morality in their games.
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#17DuckyhunterPosted 1/27/2013 5:37:39 PM
FatherSuperior7 posted...

Not every vampire is overtly evil. Nor is every bandit. There are probably plenty of vampires who were infected, but fear being killed if they seek out help, preferring to safely feed upon livestock/wildlife, and there are probably just as many bandits who are only trying to feed their families. Belonging to a group doesn't change your status as a human being, only you are capable of changing yourself.


No, deciding that you'd rather steal all your food rather than start a farm or business or simply get a job is most decidedly "evil."
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#18IamvegitoPosted 1/27/2013 5:48:59 PM
From: Duckyhunter | #017
FatherSuperior7 posted...

Not every vampire is overtly evil. Nor is every bandit. There are probably plenty of vampires who were infected, but fear being killed if they seek out help, preferring to safely feed upon livestock/wildlife, and there are probably just as many bandits who are only trying to feed their families. Belonging to a group doesn't change your status as a human being, only you are capable of changing yourself.


No, deciding that you'd rather steal all your food rather than start a farm or business or simply get a job is most decidedly "evil."

Because that's easy to do.
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#19FatherSuperior7Posted 1/27/2013 10:39:33 PM
Duckyhunter posted...
FatherSuperior7 posted...

Not every vampire is overtly evil. Nor is every bandit. There are probably plenty of vampires who were infected, but fear being killed if they seek out help, preferring to safely feed upon livestock/wildlife, and there are probably just as many bandits who are only trying to feed their families. Belonging to a group doesn't change your status as a human being, only you are capable of changing yourself.


No, deciding that you'd rather steal all your food rather than start a farm or business or simply get a job is most decidedly "evil."


That implies that the individual has been lucky enough to obtain the resources that are required to purchase property for a farm or place of business. That is not a luxury most people can afford, both in Skyrim and the real world. Also, considering every major city seems to have at least one homeless person, it is a bit naive to assume that there are enough jobs to go around (another thing Skyrim and the real world have in common). Not every bandit/vampire is the same and to try to classify them all as identical is to ignore the fact that reality is not black and white.
#20GriffRobertsPosted 1/27/2013 10:42:01 PM
Go to the college, Da said. Use your smarts, Da said. Like I'm supposed to know what college he meant!
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