2 years ago#111
Beidha posted...rx54 posted...Yeah, you can only understand things if you've experienced them, that's why all astrologers have been to the sun and planets that have been discovered.
Glad we've come to an understanding.
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2 years ago#112
You're not here to discuss or even debate, you're here to try and make people look stupid but if you want to drag this out, fine, I'll play your game. I haven't failed to do anything because I didn't bother dignifying your placebo analogies with any kind of response.
Yeah, you can only understand things if you've experienced them, that's why all astrologers have been to the sun and planets that have been discovered.
Yeah, because studying the stars is the same thing as trying to understand someone who has been born again. You need to realize that there are dynamics at work here that don't apply to astrology and that is why your little analogy fails.
If religion were a sugar pill, and all of its effects were simply felt because the taker/believer believed they would feel them, could this not be possible?
I agree with you 100% with this, but where I disagree is when you think it allpies 100% across the board to all who profess to be Christians. Just because some one claims to be a Christian doesn't mean they have been born again. Those who haven't truly been born again do in fact partake in a placebo faith.
You fail to explain how if someone is given a sugar pill and told that it will make them happier, that it actually will.
I haven't failed anything, I chose not to address it. I chose not to address it because I know that you won't be able to wrap your head around the answer and you will explain it away with more silliness in an attempt to make yourself look smart, like you have some kind of chip on your shoulder and you have some great agenda to disprove Christianity to... someone.
And yet, I will explain, though it is more of me repeating myself. What you can't comprehend is the spiritual change that happens within a person once they are born again. Its a real, genuine change but there is no way to prove it to you unless:
1 - You knew me in real life and saw the change. You knew where I came from and the way I functioned and saw first hand how the change has effected me. Or
2 - You experience it yourself.
With astrology, we have technology and methods of studying these things. You can't understand what it is to be born again until you are born again yourself. Oh sure, you can examine my life and compare how I am to how I was, but you will also find yourself over analyzing everything until you can find a rational explanation.
1 Corinthians chapter 2: 11-14
11 For who knows a personís thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.[c] 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
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2 years ago#113
At least you understood the placebo part I was trying to express, which makes the most sense to me.
You mention being "born again" and it reminded me of "ego death", something that happens with frequent use of powerful hallucinagenic drugs, severe social isolation, or lots of meditation.
You basically throw away your sense of self, which some people experience negatively to the point they no longer feel attached with reality.
They feel like someone in a movie theater and they're just watching the world go by, like a simulation. This is more common with frequent use of hallucinagens though.
Basically just a personality change, an epiphany, a revelation.
Is this all your "born again" is?
Because that's perfectly possible without any form of belief or faith.
2 years ago#114
zane0144 posted...rx54 posted...
Darnit. I meant Torah. Thanks
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2 years ago#115
While I'm replying to something way at the beginning of the thread, and for some reason I read the whole thing, it just bugs me.
I was an interim minister's kid, so growing up I bounced between damn near every protestant church within an hour's drive. I've never heard of or personally encountered someone praying to a saint, unless they were Catholic, and I only heard them mentioned in a sermon when I was invited to mass.
All modern denominations have their own biblical interpretations and blah blah blah, but saints are generally a Catholic thing.
That said, I guess Talos could be conceivably compared to Jesus, if only because they're both sort of gods who were at least at one point sort of mortal, and were both worthy of fist bumps.
...and that's how I came to be known as the Flourescent Haberdasher.
(Topic Creator)2 years ago#116
Said next to nothing...
Made zero follow up posts (this is my first response)...
Began a 115 post argument with minimal effort...
Bothered someone enough to get her to create a NEW topic just to whimper about mine (which got deleted, she must be super pissed now)
Ruffled plenty 'o feathers...
I'd say I did pretty good actually
VexNoFace likes it rough.
2 years ago#117
Talos=Jesus Christ. Akatosh=God.
That's how it could most accurately relate to Christianity. Think about it: Talos is a mortal who was given the gift of supernatural power by Akatosh, and he later died, only to ascend to godliness.
The guy who told Klefer
2 years ago#118
The universe and the nature of existence is full of unknowns and infinite possibilities. There should be no reason for science and faith to not coexist. They have in the past. They can today and into the future. It's the groups of people that cause unnecessary hatred and harm. That stops compromise and progress.
Existence is a beautiful thing, something shared among all sentients is being able to ask why, how, what our purpose and place is. To seek answers to questions that will remain constant for all generations to come, regardless of how advanced our civilization becomes.
It is the journey, not the destination. = )
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2 years ago#119
I should go
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2 years ago#120
Talos=Jesus Christ. Akatosh=God.
Talos is a conglomerate of three men, who, in life, were really quite s***ty people. The main part of the god, Talos the man, was the worst of the three. They then became a god by mantling another dead god. They were not "given the gift of supernatural power and died"
Where do you kids even think this stuff up?
Unless Jesus is a 3-pronged murdering sob who mantled a dead god, no.
And Akatosh is neither the most powerful nor the most important god. He also has really no relation to Talos.
In a coat of gold or a coat of red, a lion still has claws
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