What's the story behind Trinimacaroni?

#1Ryan-06Posted 5/18/2014 4:05:09 PM
I want to know about the story between Boethiah (?), the elves, and the orcs. Someone said Trinimac was EATEN by a daedric prince? The orcs were later born as a new race? What?

Everything has such weird origins in the Nirn land lol.
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#2mandalore2385Posted 5/18/2014 4:42:25 PM(edited)
That's about the jist of it. AddictedtoXbox could explain it best, if he were still around. Try searching around on the official lore forums at bethsoft, especially for anything by Malak the Orc.

"Trinimalarkay" is a good place to start, if you're okay with having your mind blown.
#3SlayerslugPosted 5/18/2014 7:54:23 PM
the TLDR version is that Malacath is literally poop.
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#4Ryan-06(Topic Creator)Posted 5/18/2014 8:24:51 PM
Slayerslug posted...
the TLDR version is that Malacath is literally poop.


http://i.imgur.com/myPJN46.gif
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#5AddictedToXboxPosted 5/18/2014 11:07:58 PM
There's a lot of conflicting sources on what really happened. The Dunmer claim that he was literally devoured and **** out by their patron deity Boethiah. However, Malacath himself claims that this story is taken far too literally. The Orcs hold a different view entirely, according to ESO. They believe that Trinimac was challenged to battle by Boethiah. Just as he was about to unleash a mighty blow against Boethiah, Mephala had appeared behind him and stabbed him through the back. As Trinimac knelt from his wound, Boethiah had supposedly performed a ritual that had twisted Trinimac's appearance. Trinimac was so enraged by this, that he apparently ripped open his own chest and "tore the shame from his spirit." The Orcs were born of the blood that had sprayed from his chest. This story appears to be substantiated by the presence of a fountain in Valenwood, which houses the blood of Mauloch. According to the quest involved, Mauloch gifted his blood to the Orcs to make them strong. I'm guessing there is some sort of blood magic involved, as the Orcs use it as war paint. It's worth mentioning that according to "The Anticipations," a Dunmer source, the Chimer and Orsimer were born when both groups had rubbed Trinimac's remains upon their skins. It's up to you to decide whether those remains were **** or blood.

Whatever the case may be, Trinimac died as a result of what happened. However, he did resurrect himself into Malacath. How he was able to do this is unknown, but I find it very interesting that the Orcs claim he tore out something from his chest. His heart, maybe? Keep in mind that this is the same guy who tore out Lorkhan's Heart, giving Nirn its own divinity. There is certainly something special going on with heart removal and resurrection. Look at the Underking. Look at the Briarhearts. In fact, according to PGE1, the witch-men of the Reach learned their magic from the mountain Orc tribes, and exchanged customs with them.

In the end, Trinimac has become something different entirely. The Daedra do not consider him as one of their own, and he no longer stands among the Divines. Oh, and one more thing, MK recently revealed that if we really want to learn more about Trinimac, then we should study the god Mithras. Trinimac is apparently based on the character.
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#6Kyo3333Posted 5/19/2014 1:44:52 AM
TLDR: Altmer are still the only pure elven race. All the others are twisted abominations who are less than Mer. They're practically as bad as the races of Men.


ALL HAIL THE THALMOR!
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#7Brenz0rPosted 5/19/2014 2:58:24 AM(edited)
AddictedToXbox posted...
However, Malacath himself claims that this story is taken far too literally.

One should also recall that MK has said that sometimes in a place like Tamriel it's best to take things literally. (By default this also means that sometimes it isn't, naturally, in which case allegory comes into play.)

It's worth mentioning that according to "The Anticipations," a Dunmer source, the Chimer and Orsimer were born when both groups had rubbed Trinimac's remains upon their skins. It's up to you to decide whether those remains were **** or blood.

Some idle musings:

The Changed Ones mentions that Boethiah relieving himself of Trinimac on the ground before those he'd gathered (the to-be Chimer, presumably) made it easy for them to become Changed Ones (perhaps because the remains were "right there" for them to use). Trinimac does seem to have been "there" in some mythic sense for the event(s) that caused the creation of the Chimer and Orsimer. Mephala was also present, and assisted Boethiah in showing the to-be Chimer what the Psijic Endeavour was. Trinimac's change is also a forced one, where beforehand he had "fooled the Aldmer into thinking tears were the best response to the Sundering" (i.e. differing methods of dealing with Nirn and whether it was a prison blocking them from the divine or a testing ground for true escape).
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#8Ryan-06(Topic Creator)Posted 5/19/2014 12:21:06 PM
mandalore2385 posted...
AddictedtoXbox could explain it best, if he were still around.


Why do you say it like that, made me think he was banned at first lol.

mandalore2385 posted...
"Trinimalarkay" is a good place to start, if you're okay with having your mind blown.


Uh oh no... Is this another reality based thing with many layers like CHIM and more? I never heard of this until you said it. Did you make up that word? Trinimac + arkay?
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#9AddictedToXboxPosted 5/19/2014 1:25:07 PM
Good to see you, Brenz0r. How's everything going?

@Ryan

The name "Trinimalarkay" was originally coined by the user pcvorholzer at the official forums. Just as the name sounds, it combines Trinimac/Malacath/Arkay into one word. The theory itself was an attempt by me to connect Trinimac with Arkay. It's based mostly upon the connection between Mauloch and Arkay through Orkey, as well as all of the death imagery associated with Malacath.

There's a lot of debate on whether Trinimac is the Altmeri variation of Arkay or Zenithar. The latter idea comes from one of MK's texts, "Shor son of Shor," where Trinimac is equated with Tsun as caring not for logic-talk. My problem with this theory, though, is that the Altmer already have a Zenithar equivalent in their pantheon through Xen. I believe the two are equated in the same way that Ald and Shor are. All four of them are said to care not for logic-talk. This gives me an idea that Arkay and Zenithar are "mirror-opposites" in the same way that Ald and Shor are, where one affects the other. Zenithar is considered an agricultural deity, but it is Arkay who controls the seasons. So the two are connected somehow.

Personally, I feel that MK's revelation about Mithras supports my theory. As mediator between man and Ahura Mazda, Mithras serves the role of psychopomp by escorting each and every soul into the afterlife with his golden chariot, fighting off any demons that would seek to drag those souls into hell. It's worth mentioning that he is also referred to as the kosmokrator, or "cosmic ruler," meaning he controls the seasons. In fact, his golden chariot is pulled by four horses, each one representing a season. These two roles can be related to the roles of Tu'whacca and Arkay, which only strengthens my point. I guess we'll never know for certain...
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#10mandalore2385Posted 5/19/2014 6:24:50 PM
^I love this stuff. I had to go back to the official forums and read up on it as a refresher. Welcome back Xbox.