Final Fantasy XIII-2

Balthier4King posted...

PlatinumBD posted...

And not the guys in the GFaqs forums, you guys are awesome. :) But for the most part, all the fanbase does is whine and complain and ***** and compare every new FF game to their favorite one of the past. Read the comments of this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEUOOgNzOv4

(Ignore my comment)

After reading those all I see are a bunch of sissy, tail-tucked, 12 year old females who are obviously so butt-hurt over the changes made in the series that they'll soon need tampons to compensate for their ******'s. Seriously, cry a river for the globe to dumb our wastes in and move on.

Right on dude!fight the power!lol agree with you completely on this point, some people just aren't open minded enough to appreciate the good things that each and every Final Fantasy title has to offer.There may be some negative points as to said titles ,but there's also some good points to them as well.I just think that people should start looking at each final fantasy game as a title on its own and stop comparing it to each other as each fantasy is different from the next.I personally enjoyed every final fantasy because each one was different from the next.

Exactly. Well put. I just feel that if they dislike the game that much, you can always trade it in and sell it back. Or rent before you buy. And play the older versions. Constructive critisism is great, but 13-2 addressed alot of the complaints of the first XIII and fans were still crying.
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PSN ID: BonafydeSkillz
Currently Playing- Final Fantasy XIII-2

Vekkerer posted...

Why must the Final Fantasy fans who dislike these new games be painted as the whiny, obnoxious plague rats of the franchise? >.>

There's nothning wrong with people comparing the new games to the older ones. The new games are, in most ways, worse then the old ones. The Defence Force have no right to cry and pretend that they are victims.

You say that constructive criticism is welcome yet you whine about people criticising the later games?
I say grow a pair.

I'd say which sort of fans makes me sick but I'm sure that that would be redudant at this point. >.>

Growing a pair is accepting changes and moving on. And saying I need to grow a pair for complaining about complainers is contradictory. Which leads for an arguement that would backfire on me and leave us all in a confusing paradox.

So just know by you getting offended shows you're one of them. Get over it, FF 13 isn't going anywhere and SE isn't going to change for you. Yes, they did take into consideration what the whining fans said about 13 and improved on those issues in 13-2...but it still stayed true to the original 13. So get over it or find another game to play.
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PSN ID: BonafydeSkillz
Currently Playing- Final Fantasy XIII-2

Well, you can't change the opinions of others. You can try to persuade them, but it's their choice. Personally, I never liked this type of music but it gave me a new "Paradigm Shift".

I actually like XIII-2's Limit Break more. :D

kupo1705 posted...

So, what you're saying is that we're not allowed to say bad things about games you like?

That's exactly what I'm saying.






..Just kidding, not at all. I'm just saying all the complaining is getting a bit old and annoying. I've seen it nonstop since the release of FF XIII back in 2010.
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PSN ID: BonafydeSkillz
Currently Playing- Final Fantasy XIII-2

PlatinumBD posted...

It isn't that, it's just we're tired of hearing about it. You dislike the new FF games, so what? Nobody gives a damn. Go back to the old FF and play your faves, no one is stopping you. Allow people to enjoy the new games without your input, you're like one of those old guys who say "well back in my day, we actually had music. i dont know what you all call that garbage today". Either way, the newer version is still loved and enjoyed by millions, and the bitter old farts will have to except it and get over it.

It seems you miss out the big point here and the overall image about fans complains and Square ideology about new Final Fantasy.
I could stay hours and hours to explain why i think FF13 and ff13-2 are not the games that fulfill the expectations of a Final Fantasy game but alas i wont bore you with long wall of text so il put 3 important aspects which made me dislike it or not like it as much.
1.Homogenization, it is really bad when you try to make a game look practically the same combat wise. The spells in ff13 and ff13-2 aren't different from normal attack besides stagger and their different names. For me they look literally rushed and re-used material of 10 spells that is used for 30 ( example) and makes me loose interest in them,not to even mention few of them make any impression when it comes to FX ( few examples of ultima and some signature special attacks of main characters like ultima Arrow, Army of one etc)
2. Gameplay:
Major problem is how they literally removed summons which are core and one of the most important elements in the Final fantasy series ( added its own uniqueness.) just because they failed to do it properly in ff13.
Another problem i have is the way they changed the combat system, i wont deny that i am a huge fan of old classic RPG style combat turn base with MANA and stuff but i liked the way they tried new innovative combat,but, it still lacks in many places form what i believe it could transform into the best combat for the series. One of the most negative about this combat system is the lack of resource management which signatures an RPG game.
There are other things i could point that coming from either how simplified combat is,rushed and reused monsters ( tons of them) and so on but il; carry on.
3. Story ,customization and details.
Well for a person that have been playing RPG since age of 4 ( or so my parents say) and played game with amazing story,generic,typical ,boring,innovative or whatever you want to call i have to say that FF 13 and especially 13-2 story doesn't pleases me, and i say this while absolutely accept the fact that Fabula Nova Crystalis ( if typo not intended) concept is AMAZING,type-0 shows clearly how genuinely FNC can be used, and they done it right.
Remember those awesome elemental weapons that could dish more dmg due to monster weakness type?
Remember those awesome status added effects they had, remember the awesome customization you could do with your equipment and making awesome combinations like you did with materia and such ?
Well i feel plenty of these 'details" in the game that made me LOVE IT are missing, call me nostalgia fanboy but when you address a game that is made for US ( the fans of series) then you cannot just scrap it.
I can go on with World map,lack of exploration ( even if its better in ff13-2 )and vastness it lacks as game.

I wont the deny that both games got good stuff but most of times it feels like they are lacking this unique touch that could made them great. Maybe the need some Hiroyuki Itou directions ?

All the above comes form a person that completed both ff13 and ff13-2 100% with all Trophies/achievements.

If we fans do not criticize something we dont like then do not expect Square to bother making games better.