Vita has no system sellers at alll

#131RyuuHou25Posted 2/15/2013 1:00:05 PM
ylvis posted...
A system seller is a game that moves a significantly number of hardware. That's at least what most people mean when they say "system seller", except if your name is SailorGoon.


Define significant. It's a subjective term, meaning that definition in and of itself is subjective. Hence why the term has multiple definitions.
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#132ylvisPosted 2/15/2013 1:04:58 PM
RyuuHou25 posted...
ylvis posted...
A system seller is a game that moves a significantly number of hardware. That's at least what most people mean when they say "system seller", except if your name is SailorGoon.


Define significant. It's a subjective term, meaning that definition in and of itself is subjective. Hence why the term has multiple definitions.


Significantly enough that it causes a spike in sales that will open people's eyes.
#133XeedragonPosted 2/15/2013 1:09:33 PM
RyuuHou25 posted...
ylvis posted...
A system seller is a game that moves a significantly number of hardware. That's at least what most people mean when they say "system seller", except if your name is SailorGoon.


Define significant. It's a subjective term, meaning that definition in and of itself is subjective. Hence why the term has multiple definitions.


You guys know damn well what he's talking about. Arguing over semantics is what people do when they realize that they're on the losing side of an argument. I bought the Vita to replace my PSP, and while I am happy with it, it is obvious to me that the games for it are lacking.
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#134RyuuHou25Posted 2/15/2013 1:27:00 PM
One last thing -

http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s622/Kuma_Tenshi/DSC04733_zps71898890.jpg

I mean, I CLEARLY bought the thing to play AC:L.....oh wait, no, I put that up on Ebay and didn't even take it out of that crappy plastic case it comes in with that bundle.

Must just be me being anecdotal again.......
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#135ylvisPosted 2/15/2013 1:30:32 PM
RyuuHou25 posted...
One last thing -

http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s622/Kuma_Tenshi/DSC04733_zps71898890.jpg

I mean, I CLEARLY bought the thing to play AC:L.....oh wait, no, I put that up on Ebay and didn't even take it out of that crappy plastic case it comes in with that bundle.

Must just be me being anecdotal again.......


You seriously trying to say that Liberation was a system seller?
#136RyuuHou25Posted 2/15/2013 1:31:58 PM
ylvis posted...
RyuuHou25 posted...
One last thing -

http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s622/Kuma_Tenshi/DSC04733_zps71898890.jpg

I mean, I CLEARLY bought the thing to play AC:L.....oh wait, no, I put that up on Ebay and didn't even take it out of that crappy plastic case it comes in with that bundle.

Must just be me being anecdotal again.......


You seriously trying to say that Liberation was a system seller?


Go look back at my earlier posts, and then try looking at the picture I posted. Just a thought.
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#137L0L_FAQ(Topic Creator)Posted 2/15/2013 1:58:46 PM
From: RyuuHou25 | #130
By that logic, Vita has minimum 1 system seller. PS3 has minimum, what, 9?


Wrong; I never said that this was a constant or a formula to figure out how many system sellers a game has, just an estimate to the proportion of system sellers; when a research says "1 in 10 people have bowel cancer", they don't mean that if I pull 10 people, one of them will necessarily get bowel cancer because I put 10 people together. Your ability to misconstrue the most basic of things is extraordinary. You really should get professional help.

Anyways, this is getting redundant and boring, so I'm just going to point out the final logic on this -

A system seller is one of two things. It's a game that causes substantial increase in sales of a console upon release, and/or a game that people buy a specific system to have.

However, a game that sells well does not automatically make it a system seller. You would have to find proof that said game caused people to buy the system because of that particular game, which is next to impossible.


Sales spikes that coincide with a game's release can tell this to a reasonable degree; your point is invalid.

A system selling more than say the same time a year previous, when a game that sells well came out, is circumstantial and/or coincidental evidence at best.


There's no such thing as "coincidental evidence" "Coincidence" also does not mean "not correlated" or "not causative", it means that simultaneous events are unlikely to be related. Why would claim that the release of a video game is unlikely to be related to the sales of the video game system it's released on? That's an absurd claim and one you have presented no evidence to support.

Also, you seem to think that "circumstantial evidence" = proves nothing, which isn't true. Even circumstantial evidence can be validated by using consistency as direct evidence (for example, a murderer's fingerprint at a crime scene is circumstantial, but it's appearance at every single crime scene is direct). Several spikes in sales for systems that have otherwise sold on a steady trend before and shortly after the release of a game. That evidence is direct enough to establish causation.

Since you've established your complete and utter belief in your delusion through your response to my previous message, which was a set up by the by, it's clear that no matter what, none of this will get through to you.


How was it a "set up"? You just demonstrated that you have no idea what the word "objective" means and you fail to offer even a shadow of what could be taken as a "rebuttal" and now you're going to go to the "I meant to do that" refrain? Please.

It's adequately clear that you kept hammering out the word "objective" where you wanted it to say "subjective" and can't admit to that.

So continue to believe that your subjective belief is an objective and indisputable fact, by all means.


I''ve already demonstrated how it's not subjective.
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#138PlayaMadeTxn05Posted 2/15/2013 2:16:49 PM
Absolutely pointless...
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#139ylvisPosted 2/15/2013 2:28:27 PM
RyuuHou25 posted...
ylvis posted...
RyuuHou25 posted...
One last thing -

http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s622/Kuma_Tenshi/DSC04733_zps71898890.jpg

I mean, I CLEARLY bought the thing to play AC:L.....oh wait, no, I put that up on Ebay and didn't even take it out of that crappy plastic case it comes in with that bundle.

Must just be me being anecdotal again.......


You seriously trying to say that Liberation was a system seller?


Go look back at my earlier posts, and then try looking at the picture I posted. Just a thought.


Your picture proves what?
#140RyuuHou25Posted 2/15/2013 2:34:19 PM
ylvis posted...
RyuuHou25 posted...
ylvis posted...
RyuuHou25 posted...
One last thing -

http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s622/Kuma_Tenshi/DSC04733_zps71898890.jpg

I mean, I CLEARLY bought the thing to play AC:L.....oh wait, no, I put that up on Ebay and didn't even take it out of that crappy plastic case it comes in with that bundle.

Must just be me being anecdotal again.......


You seriously trying to say that Liberation was a system seller?


Go look back at my earlier posts, and then try looking at the picture I posted. Just a thought.


Your picture proves what?


That I bought it specifically for a game, ie a system was sold because of that game. System seller. You know, the thing TC claims does not exist. The thing I was arguing with him about for 7 pages. Something that would be evident if you had done what I'd told you to do.
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