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#101JobocanPosted 4/28/2013 11:44:54 AM
AceAndJunpei posted...
Jason Schreier is a dumbass and between him and Patricia Hernandez Kotaku has become a joke.


Was Kotaku ever NOT a joke? Come on now :P
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#102LvthnPosted 4/28/2013 11:45:03 AM
Cthulhuforpres posted...
gamers (desensitized by exposure to anime, porn, and videogame heroines) are unable to relate to real women. I've seen tons of defenses for the "artist" in these pages, but no one seems to be getting the larger point which is that these images are offensive to women. If you don't care that women are offended (and, by extension, your mother, sister, and girlfriend) then I truly feel sorry for the women in your lives.


First: says who? Men? Author is a male.

Second, I'm married, and have a daughter. My wife plays games, and when I pointed out this controvery to her, her reaction was an eyeroll that anyone would give even the slightest damn. In point of fact, she said the game looks kinda cool and we'll probably end up playing it together because it has co-op.

Where did you get this image of most women being so thin-skinned that they get upset by cartoons exaggerating their body shape?
#103mike_411Posted 4/28/2013 12:00:54 PM
Boobies!! 8D
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#104CthulhuforpresPosted 4/28/2013 12:14:38 PM
Lvthn posted...
Cthulhuforpres posted...
gamers (desensitized by exposure to anime, porn, and videogame heroines) are unable to relate to real women. I've seen tons of defenses for the "artist" in these pages, but no one seems to be getting the larger point which is that these images are offensive to women. If you don't care that women are offended (and, by extension, your mother, sister, and girlfriend) then I truly feel sorry for the women in your lives.


First: says who? Men? Author is a male.

Second, I'm married, and have a daughter. My wife plays games, and when I pointed out this controvery to her, her reaction was an eyeroll that anyone would give even the slightest damn. In point of fact, she said the game looks kinda cool and we'll probably end up playing it together because it has co-op.

Where did you get this image of most women being so thin-skinned that they get upset by cartoons exaggerating their body shape?


1. Don't extrapolate personal experience to encompass the whole universe. Your wife may feel that this is an issue worth not giving a damn about, but then she is not every woman on the face of the planet. Perhaps she has been able to live her entire life without a guy touching her in a way that she did not like or have a boss talk to her chest instead of her. Good for her, but her life experience does not count for the life experience of the 3 billion plus women on the planet.

2. The author being male doesn't matter in this situation because he is pointing out the sexism of the art design and that claim could be made any sentient being. I was commenting on the number of "men" (or boys in men's clothing) that have decided that this isn't sexist or inappropriate at all. It's like a bunch of politicians claiming that they aren't crooks.

3. The point isn't that this image is completely sexist and demeaning (which it is), the issue is that this is the way that the game industry portrays women. It isn't that you can't find examples of women that are treated with respect (Tomb Raider 2013, for example), but that the vast majority of women in games are portrayed as nothing more than fan service.

It isn't lost on me that I have been looking at an banner ads for Scarlet Blade and War Tune which are designed explicitly to engage the interests of undersexed boys. So please, spare me "the game industry has no problem with how it depicts women" shtick because it's kind of like arguing that the sky isn't blue at this point.
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#105CthulhuforpresPosted 4/28/2013 12:16:24 PM
Lvthn posted...
Cthulhuforpres posted...
gamers (desensitized by exposure to anime, porn, and videogame heroines) are unable to relate to real women. I've seen tons of defenses for the "artist" in these pages, but no one seems to be getting the larger point which is that these images are offensive to women. If you don't care that women are offended (and, by extension, your mother, sister, and girlfriend) then I truly feel sorry for the women in your lives.


First: says who? Men? Author is a male.

Second, I'm married, and have a daughter. My wife plays games, and when I pointed out this controvery to her, her reaction was an eyeroll that anyone would give even the slightest damn. In point of fact, she said the game looks kinda cool and we'll probably end up playing it together because it has co-op.

Where did you get this image of most women being so thin-skinned that they get upset by cartoons exaggerating their body shape?


And just because she makes the point much better than I ever could.....

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2012/02/21/she-has-no-head-no-its-not-equal/

It's about comic books, but the complaint is the same.
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#106Fallen_LordPosted 4/28/2013 12:35:40 PM
Cthulhuforpres posted...
Pretty funny watching a bunch of guys complaining about someone that points out blatant sexism in the video game industry. I know history and a lifetime of privilege has engendered men to believe that the world revolved around them, but it really doesn't. In other words, this issue ain't about you and how you feel. It's about how the art makes women feel and I see a real lack of empathy from gamers on this issue. The author was exactly right when he pointed out that the art was puerile and offensive to women because it is. You might enjoy titillating images of women with big breasts and small outfits and that is fine, but don't think for a second that these images aren't sexist. News flash, porn is also sexist.

I think the next article the writer should do is about the immaturity of the gaming community. How gamers (desensitized by exposure to anime, porn, and videogame heroines) are unable to relate to real women. I've seen tons of defenses for the "artist" in these pages, but no one seems to be getting the larger point which is that these images are offensive to women. If you don't care that women are offended (and, by extension, your mother, sister, and girlfriend) then I truly feel sorry for the women in your lives.

Am I saying these images should be banned? Absolutely not just in the same way that I don't think porn or erotic literature should be banned. But the gaming industry will never grow beyond the stereotype of a socially awkward sausage fest as long as women are treated as nothing more than an gargantuan set of walking fun bags.


I wonder what gives me the feeling that your girlfriend was watching over your shoulder as you typed this post. First, claiming that porn is sexist and the female designs in Dragon's Crown are sexist is your opinion, sorry to burst your bubble. Second, there are women with breasts that large in the real world so does that make them walking bastions of sexism? According to your way of thinking it does.
News flash to you, not all women are offended by the way the sorceress is drawn. Second news flash, dragons don't really exist. Neither does sorcery, or orcs and goblins. This game is pure fantasy and if the designers want to make all the characters over the top and non realistic, then more power to them. If the designs are too much for your gentle sensibilities then here is a suggestion, don't play the game.
Third news flash, the designers are Japanese. They have a completely different culture from the western world and to them, the design of the sorceress is not an issue. You can try to make this into a deep, intellectual discussion about porn and sexism in the video game industry, but in the end you just come off as a whining wanna be feminist.
#107Fallen_LordPosted 4/28/2013 12:40:09 PM
I also forgot to mention that I have several female friends with very large bust sizes and when they first developed do you know who it was that made them feel uncomfortable and teased them and called the sluts? News flash, other girls are the ones that teased them and made them feel like freaks, not men.
#108LeonSK357Posted 4/28/2013 12:48:23 PM
Cthulhuforpres posted...


1. Don't extrapolate personal experience to encompass the whole universe. Your wife may feel that this is an issue worth not giving a damn about, but then she is not every woman on the face of the planet. Perhaps she has been able to live her entire life without a guy touching her in a way that she did not like or have a boss talk to her chest instead of her. Good for her, but her life experience does not count for the life experience of the 3 billion plus women on the planet.


Most of my female friends, gamers or otherwise are aware of this game. While one of them just thinks the entire game's art style is 'weird', none of the others give a damn in the first place, much less going as far as to be 'offended' by it. A couple of them (yes, we're still talking about females here) said the sorceress is hot.

NOW! Let's do this your way. Disqualify all that because it's just a 'personal experience'. Go outside and conduct an experiment. Interview 1,000 random women, show them a picture of the sorceress, ask them if they find it offensive or not. Until you do, articles here and there are irrelevant because those, too, are technically 'personal experience' since they're the author's.... Y'know...... Experience. If said article provides the aforementioned experiment, however, and has credible sources, then that makes a difference.


2. The author being male doesn't matter in this situation because he is pointing out the sexism of the art design and that claim could be made any sentient being. I was commenting on the number of "men" (or boys in men's clothing) that have decided that this isn't sexist or inappropriate at all. It's like a bunch of politicians claiming that they aren't crooks.


Again, going back to the first point. You assume/imply that only men's opinions are voiced and we have ultimately decided that it's perfectly fine. That poll would really help with your claim here.


3. The point isn't that this image is completely sexist and demeaning (which it is), the issue is that this is the way that the game industry portrays women. It isn't that you can't find examples of women that are treated with respect (Tomb Raider 2013, for example), but that the vast majority of women in games are portrayed as nothing more than fan service.


Most Americans have turned into a bunch of whiny little b****es. Everything's offensive, everything must be politically correct so as not to offend, if you offend me, you should practically be put to death because I said so.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xl2w7q_easily-offended-then-watch-this_fun#.UX17g7WG2h0
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#109LvthnPosted 4/28/2013 12:51:15 PM
Cthulhuforpres posted...

1. Don't extrapolate personal experience to encompass the whole universe. Your wife may feel that this is an issue worth not giving a damn about, but then she is not every woman on the face of the planet. Perhaps she has been able to live her entire life without a guy touching her in a way that she did not like or have a boss talk to her chest instead of her. Good for her, but her life experience does not count for the life experience of the 3 billion plus women on the planet.


What gives you the right to say what someone has or has not been through? You know nothing about her. Your assumption that women are either sheltered or with you on this issue is far more offensive than any drawing.

2. The author being male doesn't matter in this situation because he is pointing out the sexism of the art design and that claim could be made any sentient being. I was commenting on the number of "men" (or boys in men's clothing) that have decided that this isn't sexist or inappropriate at all. It's like a bunch of politicians claiming that they aren't crooks.


In other words, who cares what women have to say, men should be the ones telling them what's offensive. Nice.

Bottom line is that you've created a strawman female victim to be offended in the absence of any actual women being offended. In case you didn't read the thread, women have already responded - and not by saying they're offended by it. But I suppose they're all sheltered and unable to speak on their own behalf, and need a man to explain to them why they should be outraged.
#110mike_411Posted 4/28/2013 12:57:52 PM
I love how Cthulhu says the sexualized women are for "boys in men's clothing & undersexed boys".

I dunno about you but no matter how much sexing I'm getting, there is always room for more sexy women.

It's like food, there's always room for dessert bro. Just chill out man.
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