Vita the new Indie Portable! No longer AAA titles.

#191GenocideHeartPosted 7/1/2013 4:35:37 PM(edited)
DarkZV2Beta posted...

Except that I can go to a local shop and buy a Japanese game for my US NDS. In fact, I bought Japanese Pokemon TCG for GBC back before it came out here. I didn't have to register a separate account, buy another memory card, or anything like that.

Also, digital goods are a key component of the essential Vita service. Your software library is heavily restricted without it. That online shop is a portion of what makes Vita Vita. It being region locked means that Vita is not 100% region free.


Really? So ALL your local shops carry import goods?

No, having a nonstandard shop that actually has the presence of mind to carry import goods doesn't mean that is the standard, much like having a Chinese restaurant in your area doesn't mean you can walk in any standard restaurant and buy any Chinese food you can think of. Also, import goods almost always cost more than normal, so you're still doing something you normally don't (pay more) for a game that's not your region. Unless I have imagines those $100 copies of Senran Kagura on Ebay... if you HAPPEN to have an import shop near you, that makes you A LUCKY GUY, not the norm. 99% of us have to go through much more pain-in-the-ass and expensive hoops to get games.

And once more: Vita is not REGION locked. ALL software works on ALL Vitas. It's a matter of NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS. Nobody stops you from getting a foreign account (even if it's technically illegal) and downloading all you want, provided you have the means to do so. In this case, another MC to tie the Japanese or whatever account to, since each account requires its own MC.

The correct statement is: Vita is ACCOUNT LOCKED; in that it can have only one ACTIVE account at a time, and which ACTIVE account you have determines which DIGITAL games you can currently play, since digital games need to check if the account that purchased them is on the machine (justifiably, otherwise everyone would just DL games off a friend's account and rob PSN blind - just look at the nonsense that happened with the 5 activated consoles per item rule, which made Sony crack down and reduce it to 2. THE CULPRITS KNOW WHO THEY ARE).

You are free to switch them at any time, provided you have a spare memory card and five minutes to do so. Once you do that, so long as you have the right currency (and Paypal lets you exchange it easily enough, or you can get prepaid codes), you're free to drown yourself in any game you want. What you're doing is taking an annoyance and try to paint it as an insurmountable obstacle, which it is not, and it just requires a bit of patience.

The one thing I can concede you is that changing accounts does take some time (about five minutes, really), which doesn't make it regionlocked, it just makes it an annoyance. But I suppose you think that region free means 'it spoon feeds you everything and even makes coffee'. Would you prefer the old SNES days, where to make it regionfree you had to actually SNAP OFF pieces of it and void your warranty? The SNES was regionfree - it was a physical inconvenient that kept it from playing Japanese games, and you had to circumvent it.

Real regionlocking is when no matter what you do, no matter how much you cry, beg and plead, a wrong-region game, be it physical or digital, WILL REFUSE TO BOOT on your machine. See: 3DS. Vita just makes the procedure annoying, likely as a cash-grab attempt by Sony in hopes that players will do with Vita what 3DS players did with the 3DS and buy a second Vita. Because, you know, to play a Japanese game on 3DS, you pretty much NEED to buy a Japanese 3DS.
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#192DarkZV2BetaPosted 7/1/2013 4:48:33 PM
GenocideHeart posted...
DarkZV2Beta posted...

Except that I can go to a local shop and buy a Japanese game for my US NDS. In fact, I bought Japanese Pokemon TCG for GBC back before it came out here. I didn't have to register a separate account, buy another memory card, or anything like that.

Also, digital goods are a key component of the essential Vita service. Your software library is heavily restricted without it. That online shop is a portion of what makes Vita Vita. It being region locked means that Vita is not 100% region free.


Really? So ALL your local shops carry import goods?

No, having a nonstandard shop that actually has the presence of mind to carry import goods doesn't mean that is the standard, much like having a Chinese restaurant in your area doesn't mean you can walk in any standard restaurant and buy any Chinese food you can think of. Also, import goods almost always cost more than normal, so you're still doing something you normally don't (pay more) for a game that's not your region. Unless I have imagines those $100 copies of Senran Kagura on Ebay... if you HAPPEN to have an import shop near you, that makes you A LUCKY GUY, not the norm. 99% of us have to go through much more pain-in-the-ass and expensive hoops to get games.

And once more: Vita is not REGION locked. ALL software works on ALL Vitas. It's a matter of NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS. Nobody stops you from getting a foreign account (even if it's technically illegal) and downloading all you want, provided you have the means to do so. In this case, another MC to tie the Japanese or whatever account to, since each account requires its own MC.

The correct statement is: Vita is ACCOUNT LOCKED; in that it can have only one ACTIVE account at a time, and which ACTIVE account you have determines which DIGITAL games you can currently play, since digital games need to check if the account that purchased them is on the machine (justifiably, otherwise everyone would just DL games off a friend's account and rob PSN blind - just look at the nonsense that happened with the 5 activated consoles per item rule, which made Sony crack down and reduce it to 2. THE CULPRITS KNOW WHO THEY ARE).

You are free to switch them at any time, provided you have a spare memory card and five minutes to do so. Once you do that, so long as you have the right currency (and Paypal lets you exchange it easily enough, or you can get prepaid codes), you're free to drown yourself in any game you want. What you're doing is taking an annoyance and try to paint it as an insurmountable obstacle, which it is not, and it just requires a bit of patience.

The one thing I can concede you is that changing accounts does take some time (about five minutes, really), which doesn't make it regionlocked, it just makes it an annoyance. But I suppose you think that region free means 'it spoon feeds you everything and even makes coffee'. Would you prefer the old SNES days, where to make it regionfree you had to actually SNAP OFF pieces of it and void your warranty? The SNES was regionfree - it was a physical inconvenient that kept it from playing Japanese games, and you had to circumvent it.

Real regionlocking is when no matter what you do, no matter how much you cry, beg and plead, a wrong-region game, be it physical or digital, WILL REFUSE TO BOOT on your machine. See: 3DS. Vita just makes the procedure annoying, likely as a cash-grab attempt by Sony in hopes that players will do with Vita what 3DS players did with the 3DS and buy a second Vita. Because, you know, to play a Japanese game on 3DS, you pretty much NEED to buy a Japanese 3DS.


The only online shop you're allowed to use on Vita is region locked.
Again, region locking a part of the Vita service = not 100% region free.
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#193Skull_proPosted 7/2/2013 12:18:13 AM
crimzon_Zero posted...
kind of saw this coming but as long they localize some games from japan it doesnt bother me.


This, Japanesse games are USUALLY better than western games anyways... especially when it comes to rpg.
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#194GenocideHeartPosted 7/2/2013 7:46:23 AM
DarkZV2Beta posted...

The only online shop you're allowed to use on Vita is region locked.
Again, region locking a part of the Vita service = not 100% region free.


No, it's ACCOUNT locked. If it was regionlocked you wouldn't be able to play ANY non-US game on an US vita, period, no exception, no matter how many memory sticks you have and how much money you have.

Jesus christ on the cross, you just plain are plugging your ears and refusing to understand the difference between ACCOUNT locked and REGION locked. If there actually WAS a regional lockout of any sort on Vita, games from a region other than the one you BOUGHT IT IN wouldn't work, end of story.

As it is, games aren't tied to region, but to ACCOUNT. Because they check at startup if the account that purchased them is present on the Vita, they won't work if that one's missing.

Wikipedia says it best:

"Regional lockout in video games is when a piece of hardware is designed such that only software for that region is compatible."

In case you wonder, the main regions are:

-Japan and Asia (NTSC-J)
-North America (NTSC-U/C)
-Europe, New Zealand and Australia (PAL region)
-China (NTSC-C)

Now, I repeat: Your NTSC-U Vita is perfectly capable of playing games you purchase from PSN of any other region. The limiting factor is NOT region, it's NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS. Once more, with feeling (or at least common sense): VITA IS ACCOUNT LOCKED. But it's not a hard lock, and you can change that account anytime provided you know how. And because there's no limit on which region's software will work on the hardware, it means it's not regionlocked, but regionfree.

The limiting factor isn't that you can't have accounts from a certain region, it's that you CAN ONLY HAVE ONE ACCOUNT. Hence, account lock, not regional lock.

Of course, the Vita won't have the same software available in every region's shop, but that, again, isn't so much a matter of region locking (because if it was, Vita titles would behave like Persona 4 Arena, which is unplayable on any PS3 that doesn't match its region, even though PS3 is region free - and no, having multiple accounts does NOT change that, the game checks the HARDWARE), but primarily of licensing and local regulations. Sony cannot simply slap all games on every PSN, because thanks to those idiotic copyright and import laws that seem designed solely to screw gamers over, they will get the pants sued off them if they do. It's the same reason why Super Robot Taisen never made it out of Japan, despite fan outcry - copyright hell due to the holders of the licenses in it. In Japan, Bandai owns pretty much all of them... in the west, they're split all over.

Hence why shops only have material legally available in those regions. In fact, the legality of importing is dubious in some countries, such as Australia, where you can get JAIL TIME for importing games banned on its territory (and they actually ban quite a few of them). Heck, some games that are perfectly legal in Asian countries can get you thrown in jail for child pornography in some western countries...
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#195DarkZV2BetaPosted 7/2/2013 10:01:49 AM
GenocideHeart posted...
DarkZV2Beta posted...

The only online shop you're allowed to use on Vita is region locked.
Again, region locking a part of the Vita service = not 100% region free.


No, it's ACCOUNT locked. If it was regionlocked you wouldn't be able to play ANY non-US game on an US vita, period, no exception, no matter how many memory sticks you have and how much money you have.

Jesus christ on the cross, you just plain are plugging your ears and refusing to understand the difference between ACCOUNT locked and REGION locked. If there actually WAS a regional lockout of any sort on Vita, games from a region other than the one you BOUGHT IT IN wouldn't work, end of story.

As it is, games aren't tied to region, but to ACCOUNT. Because they check at startup if the account that purchased them is present on the Vita, they won't work if that one's missing.

Wikipedia says it best:

"Regional lockout in video games is when a piece of hardware is designed such that only software for that region is compatible."

In case you wonder, the main regions are:

-Japan and Asia (NTSC-J)
-North America (NTSC-U/C)
-Europe, New Zealand and Australia (PAL region)
-China (NTSC-C)

Now, I repeat: Your NTSC-U Vita is perfectly capable of playing games you purchase from PSN of any other region. The limiting factor is NOT region, it's NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS. Once more, with feeling (or at least common sense): VITA IS ACCOUNT LOCKED. But it's not a hard lock, and you can change that account anytime provided you know how. And because there's no limit on which region's software will work on the hardware, it means it's not regionlocked, but regionfree.

The limiting factor isn't that you can't have accounts from a certain region, it's that you CAN ONLY HAVE ONE ACCOUNT. Hence, account lock, not regional lock.

Of course, the Vita won't have the same software available in every region's shop, but that, again, isn't so much a matter of region locking (because if it was, Vita titles would behave like Persona 4 Arena, which is unplayable on any PS3 that doesn't match its region, even though PS3 is region free - and no, having multiple accounts does NOT change that, the game checks the HARDWARE), but primarily of licensing and local regulations. Sony cannot simply slap all games on every PSN, because thanks to those idiotic copyright and import laws that seem designed solely to screw gamers over, they will get the pants sued off them if they do. It's the same reason why Super Robot Taisen never made it out of Japan, despite fan outcry - copyright hell due to the holders of the licenses in it. In Japan, Bandai owns pretty much all of them... in the west, they're split all over.

Hence why shops only have material legally available in those regions. In fact, the legality of importing is dubious in some countries, such as Australia, where you can get JAIL TIME for importing games banned on its territory (and they actually ban quite a few of them). Heck, some games that are perfectly legal in Asian countries can get you thrown in jail for child pornography in some western countries...


The accounts are region locked. As an essential part of the Vita service, this means that Vita is not 100% region free.
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#196Spiroth_KweehhPosted 7/2/2013 10:09:53 AM
DarkZV2Beta posted...
GenocideHeart posted...
DarkZV2Beta posted...

The only online shop you're allowed to use on Vita is region locked.
Again, region locking a part of the Vita service = not 100% region free.


No, it's ACCOUNT locked. If it was regionlocked you wouldn't be able to play ANY non-US game on an US vita, period, no exception, no matter how many memory sticks you have and how much money you have.

Jesus christ on the cross, you just plain are plugging your ears and refusing to understand the difference between ACCOUNT locked and REGION locked. If there actually WAS a regional lockout of any sort on Vita, games from a region other than the one you BOUGHT IT IN wouldn't work, end of story.

As it is, games aren't tied to region, but to ACCOUNT. Because they check at startup if the account that purchased them is present on the Vita, they won't work if that one's missing.

Wikipedia says it best:

"Regional lockout in video games is when a piece of hardware is designed such that only software for that region is compatible."

In case you wonder, the main regions are:

-Japan and Asia (NTSC-J)
-North America (NTSC-U/C)
-Europe, New Zealand and Australia (PAL region)
-China (NTSC-C)

Now, I repeat: Your NTSC-U Vita is perfectly capable of playing games you purchase from PSN of any other region. The limiting factor is NOT region, it's NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS. Once more, with feeling (or at least common sense): VITA IS ACCOUNT LOCKED. But it's not a hard lock, and you can change that account anytime provided you know how. And because there's no limit on which region's software will work on the hardware, it means it's not regionlocked, but regionfree.

The limiting factor isn't that you can't have accounts from a certain region, it's that you CAN ONLY HAVE ONE ACCOUNT. Hence, account lock, not regional lock.

Of course, the Vita won't have the same software available in every region's shop, but that, again, isn't so much a matter of region locking (because if it was, Vita titles would behave like Persona 4 Arena, which is unplayable on any PS3 that doesn't match its region, even though PS3 is region free - and no, having multiple accounts does NOT change that, the game checks the HARDWARE), but primarily of licensing and local regulations. Sony cannot simply slap all games on every PSN, because thanks to those idiotic copyright and import laws that seem designed solely to screw gamers over, they will get the pants sued off them if they do. It's the same reason why Super Robot Taisen never made it out of Japan, despite fan outcry - copyright hell due to the holders of the licenses in it. In Japan, Bandai owns pretty much all of them... in the west, they're split all over.

Hence why shops only have material legally available in those regions. In fact, the legality of importing is dubious in some countries, such as Australia, where you can get JAIL TIME for importing games banned on its territory (and they actually ban quite a few of them). Heck, some games that are perfectly legal in Asian countries can get you thrown in jail for child pornography in some western countries...


The accounts are region locked. As an essential part of the Vita service, this means that Vita is not 100% region free.



What? "Essential"? Since when?
VITA "needs it to work"? Since when?
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#197DarkZV2BetaPosted 7/2/2013 10:14:15 AM
Spiroth_Kweehh posted...
DarkZV2Beta posted...
GenocideHeart posted...
DarkZV2Beta posted...

The only online shop you're allowed to use on Vita is region locked.
Again, region locking a part of the Vita service = not 100% region free.


No, it's ACCOUNT locked. If it was regionlocked you wouldn't be able to play ANY non-US game on an US vita, period, no exception, no matter how many memory sticks you have and how much money you have.

Jesus christ on the cross, you just plain are plugging your ears and refusing to understand the difference between ACCOUNT locked and REGION locked. If there actually WAS a regional lockout of any sort on Vita, games from a region other than the one you BOUGHT IT IN wouldn't work, end of story.

As it is, games aren't tied to region, but to ACCOUNT. Because they check at startup if the account that purchased them is present on the Vita, they won't work if that one's missing.

Wikipedia says it best:

"Regional lockout in video games is when a piece of hardware is designed such that only software for that region is compatible."

In case you wonder, the main regions are:

-Japan and Asia (NTSC-J)
-North America (NTSC-U/C)
-Europe, New Zealand and Australia (PAL region)
-China (NTSC-C)

Now, I repeat: Your NTSC-U Vita is perfectly capable of playing games you purchase from PSN of any other region. The limiting factor is NOT region, it's NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS. Once more, with feeling (or at least common sense): VITA IS ACCOUNT LOCKED. But it's not a hard lock, and you can change that account anytime provided you know how. And because there's no limit on which region's software will work on the hardware, it means it's not regionlocked, but regionfree.

The limiting factor isn't that you can't have accounts from a certain region, it's that you CAN ONLY HAVE ONE ACCOUNT. Hence, account lock, not regional lock.

Of course, the Vita won't have the same software available in every region's shop, but that, again, isn't so much a matter of region locking (because if it was, Vita titles would behave like Persona 4 Arena, which is unplayable on any PS3 that doesn't match its region, even though PS3 is region free - and no, having multiple accounts does NOT change that, the game checks the HARDWARE), but primarily of licensing and local regulations. Sony cannot simply slap all games on every PSN, because thanks to those idiotic copyright and import laws that seem designed solely to screw gamers over, they will get the pants sued off them if they do. It's the same reason why Super Robot Taisen never made it out of Japan, despite fan outcry - copyright hell due to the holders of the licenses in it. In Japan, Bandai owns pretty much all of them... in the west, they're split all over.

Hence why shops only have material legally available in those regions. In fact, the legality of importing is dubious in some countries, such as Australia, where you can get JAIL TIME for importing games banned on its territory (and they actually ban quite a few of them). Heck, some games that are perfectly legal in Asian countries can get you thrown in jail for child pornography in some western countries...


The accounts are region locked. As an essential part of the Vita service, this means that Vita is not 100% region free.



What? "Essential"? Since when?
VITA "needs it to work"? Since when?


It's required for the full Vita experience.
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