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DTY3 posted... diedje81 posted...Just give up DM. You got your answers, boy. Lol. Yeah, he's not here to have a respectful discussion, that's for sure. I guess he loves the attention, but until the point where others challenge him. Ignoring those that are intellectually superior seems normal in China but I hadn't seen it on GF yet. Ow why do I bother, I'm on his ignore list. | |
diedje81 posted... DTY3 posted...diedje81 posted...Just give up DM. You got your answers, boy. His name should give you a clue... --- "I come to GameFAQs to be an a-hole and create strife /hate on forum message boards." - GeassMaster | |
RadioactiveE posted... Then try coming up with some real discussion points yourself, man. You started this topic with some opening that says, "What this article says is accurate, but it doesn't account for these sales which I can't really explain myself." You also started by thanking people for bring you to a 500 topic when you clearly had some bitterness about the things they said, so that's a great way to kick off a new one. Try being less passive-aggressive. I started off saying the article was right? Where? You didn't even read the original post and from the rest of your post, you clearly did not read the article either. It isn't talking about modern games in general. It is blaming high budget games that are trying to be cinematic as the fault for the decline. The problem was that he used total hardware and software sales and saw how the industry was in decline while that increased sales by the Wii was never sustainable to begin with. Now you think decline means a bunch of different things when the OP already showed you the article and what it meant in this discussion in relation to cinematic games and high budgets. Please either inform yourself, back up what you say or man up to your own incompetence and admit you didn't read a damn thing like the rest of these posters. Then you say it is counter intuitive to argue against POPULAR OPINION? Isn't that the exact same argument polluting the last 500 posts? All of you now just have no idea how to hold this argument so you take it to places it never went or talk about how you guys are right. Look at the kind of responses that have been polluting this topic. There are so many ignores on my screen right now and I bet you those posts are nothing but two sentence posts trying to be witty or clever or boosting each other. I bet you $100 that none of those topics addressed the issue or quoted a link to what discussions I ignored. This is exactly why these posters are completely worthless along with the mass opinions of the GFaqs board. The most hilarious thing is that you guys keep spamming this topic even saying how there is no way to have a read discussion while drowning out the real discussions occurring here. You guys are just plain trolling and burying the points made by posters like Petran and Pedro. --- GT: ZiiX360 PSN: BoxFighter85 PC: i7 930@4Ghz | EX58 UD5 | GTX 460 SLI | 8GB DDR3 | 500GB Spinpoint | Vertex 2 180 SSD | Cooler Master HAF X | VG236H | |
RadioactiveE posted...
it would be better to ask about gaming genres in separate forums outside gamefaqs instead of console forums. DesperateMonkey posted...
adventure games are of the oldest genre, spanning over 30 years. I read at other forums a lot of articles that supposedly adventure games as we know them (text adventures, point and click etc) are dead and there is no traditional adventure game anymore. Yet even today we see traditional point and click adventures emerge. One of them I played for a while (Resonance), is quite challenging actually and I doubt it'd get a console release due to this. I read about that game in a PC magazine btw While Lucasarts shifted from traditional point and click interface to 3D interface with revamped graphics and actually released their adventures on consoles as well. Consoles may have made them more popular but unfortunately they made them far easier. Even FPS on PC would have had so many extra elements that would seem inappropriate on consoles, had they managed to make full use of mouse/kb controlls and the environment. It is a trend that a lot of smaller productions take the elements that made the older games so great and make smaller games. Yet even they have to struggle. A lot of games are released in episodic format. If you buy all episodes separately it ends more expensive than a full game. Yet if you wait for the game to finish and buy them together, you may buy it cheap but it hurts the developer and makes it difficult to create the next episode. though I prefer this to DLC. It is more fair for both. Also another alternative is this. Every developer can have his own digital distribution client or find a distributor besides Steam. Eg an Italian distributor that would also favour Italian games, mainly adventure, is this. requires a client though: http://www.zodiac-store.com/ This is why on PC it is easier to find that sort of good games. Bigger productions require so many decisions, often ignoring the users opinions completely. So they often end up offering very little for what they were advertised. Not surprising that now when so many software houses face problems, we see flexible smaller productions. this had occured in computers even during the 80s, but unfortunately such ventures died with the system that supported them. Even Japan had a rich PC game library. Now there is a chance for it to last more and be more popular. --- Q.You want so see some other stuff? What Console? A.Console? Q.What platform? A.Uh, Moral Turpitude? Q.PC it is, then. | |
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There plenty of evidence to support the claim that video games were on the decline before the Wii if you look at the game sales across consoles the Wii has sold 759,844,096 games to the Xbox 360's 593,936,401 and PS3's 504,554,229. Yes the Wii is selling less than the HD systems now, however, at the current rate of sale it would take the Xbox360 more than 8 years to catch up. And this doesn't even take into account the fact that developers are releasing less games for Wii than HD systems, Comparitively the DS another underpowered system has also sold more games than even the PSP, 360 or PS3 in fact the Wii and DS have sold more games than the Other 3 systems combined according to VGChartz. http://www.vgchartz.com/yearly/2011/Global/ There's also the fact that the PSVita had an abysmal launch despite being touted as the most powerful handheld with graphics rivaling the HD systems. That's coupled with the fact that PC games particularly known for graphics capability have also sold less games than even the lackluster PSP and it's easy to come to the conclusion that high budget titles don't sell games and that games sell for other reasons maybe because they are by established companies with advertised franchises or because they offer new experiences or control options that consoles like the Wii and DS offer with the Wiimote and Dual Screen. It's easier to argue the Wii for revitalizing gaming because its the one console with the half of the best selling games of all time according to vgchartz. It's the only console not involved in the progressing format war between HD-DVD and Blu-ray. Neither does it partake in adding large amounts of data storage in hard drive for install similar to the technology used in PCs. Instead the wii focuses on its own audience with its games that offer greater interactivity with its game and more intuitive controls. Instead of increases in spending on graphics there's more emphasis on gameplay elements. And this is why the Wii is successful. http://www.vg247.com/2012/06/04/crytek-boss-predicts-death-of-consoles-wary-of-vita-wii-u-and-streaming-tech/ | |
I just... ugh. I was referencing your obsession with figures in that some of the figures the article mentioned were correct but you had additional info to provide. Now, there's nothing wrong with having a discussion, but you're attempting to prove a popular opinion incorrect by- what, flashing sales figures? But, I digress. This isn't even what this discussion is about anymore, it's about PC gaming, I guess? I'm just gonna say this- people seem to be in this mindset that high-budget games are the only ones that can be good, when there's probably a similar ratio between good high-budget games and bad high-budget games as there is with lower-budget games- as in, there's a lot of crap out there. But that's what happens when you push next-gen tech early and at such a high price, people begin to think that those games are the future of gaming and that other games are stuck in the past. Well, that's what they probably thought around the time of the PS360 launch. Then, when they started sampling the relatively small pool of high-budget games, they realized that a lot of them suck. They're not wrong in thinking this, and it's something that is inescapable. It's the nature of gaming. I just think it's sad that so many developers feel it's necessary to push this high-budget development because they're downplaying lower-budget titles by doing so. Nowadays, you mostly see this black and white concept of "high-budget or indie titles" because 1) people aren't educated enough to see the gaming industry as something deeper and 2) the internet popularizes these two extremes to insane degrees. And that's what may be the downfall of gaming- we have this resource on our hands now that SUPPOSEDLY allows us to discuss these games without much bias, but when you get down to it, it's a propaganda tool that's just as bad as gaming magazines used to be. I mean, look at us, we're discussing this on a Wii U board. If you went to a Transformers forum and went to their video game subforum you'd probably have more unbiased discussion on the state of gaming than what goes on here. Advertizing and internet hype are just propaganda instigators as well- the amount of perfect grade or high-scoring games nowadays in comparison to the experiences I've had playing them just doesn't seem right. Again, this is all my opinion. Something you need to factor into a discussion like this. You can encourage discussion all you want and that's why I encourage you to go to other forums and discuss this- because everyone here seems to not agree with you and your attempts to sway people while also calling them ignorant are wearing thin on people's patience... juuuuust saying. | |
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lionheart5656 posted... Older Generations were better as a whole? - Results (1497 votes) Dammit don't post that! Now he's gonna ignore the guy above you and whine and moan about how stupid you are. --- http://www.backloggery.com/dty16 <----FCs GE 4813 3424 1557 Quick Man | |
All of you now just have no idea how to hold this argument so you take it to places it never went or talk about how you guys are right. Look at the kind of responses that have been polluting this topic. There are so many ignores on my screen right now and I bet you those posts are nothing but two sentence posts trying to be witty or clever or boosting each other. I bet you $100 that none of those topics addressed the issue or quoted a link to what discussions I ignored. This is exactly why these posters are completely worthless along with the mass opinions of the GFaqs board. ....just wow. Get off your damn high horse. Why do you think you're so damn important? There's a bunch of messages on your ignore list because you put anybody with a different opinion on it! You act like a little child. When there's something you don't wanna hear, you just plug your ears in a "LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" fashion. No we aren't "boosting" each other. We're giving you what you deserve. And we are worthless?? Heh. Says the guy who puts everyone on their ignore list, says Golden Axe was a SNES game, Symphony of the Night was an NES game, Contra has no co-op, and Resident Evil 2 is a 4th gen (SNES Genesis) game! How's that for "two sentence post"? --- http://www.backloggery.com/dty16 <----FCs GE 4813 3424 1557 Quick Man |
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