4K just may be the next gen standard, Sony shows Gran Turismo 4K tech demo

#191Enigma149Posted 10/3/2012 4:51:02 PM
Solis posted...
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triple s posted...
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1080p was supposed to be [i]this[/i] generation's standard, and it's still not the norm.

4k certainly won't have the sort of market penetration by the end of next year (the likely launch date for the next cycle for MS/Sony) to be worth developing console hardware for.

Likely what we'll have is 1080p/60fps be more common and antialiasing used better.


720p was the standard. Sony tried to say the PS3 would be 1080p 120fps but even it barely hit 720p with most games, same with most 360 games.



Did they really say 120fps too? Wow!


http://www.gamespot.com/news/ps3-to-run-at-120-fps-6136786

Also, read the bottom part about how a future console could have a Cell cluster capable of over 25 TFLOPS.

Actually, his statement in that article wasn't incorrect: he said he "hopes" displays capable of accepting 120fps input would come to market and the PS3 could then be updated to support it. As it turns out, no consumer-level HDTVs allow for 120hz input, so there's not really anything a system update could do about that. People need to stop twisting the meanings of people's statements.


There are plenty of consumer TVs capable of 120Hz input. Heck, here's one made by Sony.

http://reviews.bestbuy.com/3545/2072119/sony-40-class-led-1080p-120hz-3d-hdtv-reviews/reviews.htm
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#192hotgamerPosted 10/3/2012 4:52:16 PM
There is no way 4k will be next gen standard. PS4 may support those tv, but they will only upscale to it. I'd say actual games at 4k resolution may come out for the PS5 generation, but there is no way it can come out for ps4. It's far too expensive

Unless you're a millionaire, you can't afford something like that.


Well, maybe if you have a house, car, years of food and water in your basement, some free internet/cellphone deal and every other expenses you usually have covered for you and you have tens of thousands in your bank account with absolutely nothing else to spend it on for years, then go ahead and burn them all on a tv.
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#193Enigma149Posted 10/3/2012 4:54:27 PM
hotgamer posted...
There is no way 4k will be next gen standard. PS4 may support those tv, but they will only upscale to it. I'd say actual games at 4k resolution may come out for the PS5 generation, but there is no way it can come out for ps4. It's far too expensive

Unless you're a millionaire, you can't afford something like that.


Well, maybe if you have a house, car, years of food and water in your basement, some free internet/cellphone deal and every other expenses you usually have covered for you and you have tens of thousands in your bank account with absolutely nothing else to spend it on for years, then go ahead and burn them all on a tv.


Nah. Just do what I did to afford all of the stuff I got.

Ask yourself, "Which would I rather have - this $45,000 vehicle, or this $35,000 vehicle and all of this other stuff?" I chose the $35,000 vehicle, used $5,000 on various entertainment products, saved the other $5,000, and haven't regretted it.
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#194overkillwfo1978Posted 10/3/2012 4:55:34 PM
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Mark my words, very few people will own a 4K television within the next 10 years. It's utterly pointless unless you're a rich home cinema aficionado.


Nintendo said the same thing about online...


Except when you use the HDTV timeline regarding price what Gencoil said was very true. 4k is basically at the same point HDTVs were in 1996-1997. They were available, but cost about 20k dollars and didn't catch on for 8-10 years.

Comparing online to HDTV affordability is comparing apples to oranges. The above statement is what you need to address...
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#195Devil_wings00Posted 10/3/2012 4:56:15 PM
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TV's haven't even moved into 2K yet and 4K isn't even out for computer monitors (for consumer use unless you've got 30,000 dollars lying around) so I don't see the move to 4K for TV's happening anytime soon. I mean a 27 inch 2K monitors are 600-1200 bucks imagine what a 4K 50 inch TV would cost? Yikes.


It's horizontal resolution, not vertical resolution, that defines 4K. 2K is effectively what we have now, 1920x1080.


2K is a generic term for 2560x1440/1600 just as 4k is a generic term for 3840/4098 2160 and 8K is generic for 7680 4320. I've never heard anyone call 1080p 2k resolution. Even if it is technically true it is almost 2k but that's not how the term is used. If you are somehow confused by this very common usage you could always say 1080p, 1440p, 1600p, 2160p, or 4320p but really who cares? You know what I meant your just trying to act smart.
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#196SolisPosted 10/3/2012 5:08:34 PM
Enigma149 posted...
There are plenty of consumer TVs capable of 120Hz input. Heck, here's one made by Sony.

http://reviews.bestbuy.com/3545/2072119/sony-40-class-led-1080p-120hz-3d-hdtv-reviews/reviews.htm


Input, input, input. The 120hz statistic is referring to panel REFRESH rate. The problem is that these TVs don't support anything above 60hz input. The only proper 120hz displays out there now are dual-link DVI monitors. Not even HDMI cables officially have a 120hz transmission standard, afaik.
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#197GloryChaosPosted 10/3/2012 5:12:37 PM
Stopped reading the topic at page 2 when people decided to respond to Linetrix.

4k is great. But I'm in no rush to hurry up and enjoy it. 720p and 1080p don't look like garbage gutter trash to me yet.
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#198nedrithPosted 10/3/2012 5:41:08 PM
Calling it the standard because sony will use it isn't much. I doubt the xbox will use it.

As for prices, if systems are going to last 8-10 years they need to be built to last 8-10 years. give 4k tvs a bit and I'm sure in 3-4 years the price will go down to a affordable level and so will the amount of content available for it.

With that said looking at the past, it's quite possible bluray wouldn't be around if it wasn't for the PS3, while I think sony has lost a bit with the not so much of a success that it's PS3 is, they still can affect the market quite a bit.

With that said I'm fine that the Wii U that I pre-ordered won't suport 4K, HD is more than enough IMO. In terms of quality I'd rather see better 3d.
#199triple sPosted 10/3/2012 5:43:36 PM
Solis posted...
Enigma149 posted...
There are plenty of consumer TVs capable of 120Hz input. Heck, here's one made by Sony.

http://reviews.bestbuy.com/3545/2072119/sony-40-class-led-1080p-120hz-3d-hdtv-reviews/reviews.htm


Input, input, input. The 120hz statistic is referring to panel REFRESH rate. The problem is that these TVs don't support anything above 60hz input. The only proper 120hz displays out there now are dual-link DVI monitors. Not even HDMI cables officially have a 120hz transmission standard, afaik.



You are correct. There's a huge difference between (PC)gaming on my 120hz monitor compared to my 120hz HDTV.
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#200darkjedilinkPosted 10/3/2012 5:44:40 PM
nedrith posted...
Calling it the standard because sony will use it isn't much. I doubt the xbox will use it.

As for prices, if systems are going to last 8-10 years they need to be built to last 8-10 years. give 4k tvs a bit and I'm sure in 3-4 years the price will go down to a affordable level and so will the amount of content available for it.

With that said looking at the past, it's quite possible bluray wouldn't be around if it wasn't for the PS3, while I think sony has lost a bit with the not so much of a success that it's PS3 is, they still can affect the market quite a bit.

With that said I'm fine that the Wii U that I pre-ordered won't suport 4K, HD is more than enough IMO. In terms of quality I'd rather see better 3d.


You posit that 4k TV's are going to drop from $25,000+ to under $1,000 in four years?
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