SSBB's roster vs PS All-Stars roster - Advanced rounds

#81L0L_FAQPosted 10/13/2012 2:44:14 PM
From: Dref151 | #076
Kratos did kill several gods, usurp the position himself. ima agree with kratos.


Those gods were not super fast and Kratos lived through the series mainly via plot armour, being put "near death" several time but "surviving" through a combination of sheer luck or sheer incompetence on his enemies' parts. Biggest example of this is getting gored by the Blade Of Olympus itself. Why doesn't he die? Plot armour; the "blade that can kill gods" that's being so touted here was shoved through his chest AFTER he had given it all his own godly power and he doesn't die because he's the main character of the game. This is never justified as being a factor of his godly might or anything; it's just "no, he didn't die, he just nearly did".

And this argument seems to somehow hinge on Hades from KI being the same Hades as the one from GOW and this somehow justifies that Kratos is more powerful than pit, except the KI:U Hades flies, is much bigger and has demonstrated feats of ridiculous power as compared to GOW3 Hades. The problem is that Kratos has killed "gods", but Pit has killed larger scaled enemies. The sheer ignorance of this argument stems from the fact that half the people trying to argue for kratos probably haven't played the actual game. GST has a gatling gun. The fight lasts approximately 5 seconds because Pit zooms away and busts several caps into Kratos' ass.

It's not even a fair fight; Nintendo regularly gives overpowered endgame abilities to the player because it's fun; canon battles are less fun because Nintendo characters are mode OP. It's just the way it is.

Up to this point, the only argument that's been put forward in Kratos' favour has been "KRATOS HAS KILLED GODS. KRATOS HAS KILLED GODS. KRATOS HAS KILLED GODS." but it doesn't matter; what they have killed matters far less than what they can do. Kratos kills gods with ingenuity rather than brute force, but that's the case with literally every game with a giant boss fight, from the Prince Of Persia games' big bosses like the Dahaka, the big cleaver guy and the big bird to the Legend Of Zelda's classic "hit weak spot, kill big guy" battles, those battles have been won because of the brutish stupidity of bosses and the ingenuity of the protagonist rather than their conventional combat prowess. Pit kills far bigger bosses and has more broken weaponry on his side. It's not even a fair fight.
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#82sonic777Posted 10/13/2012 5:51:16 PM
This is never justified as being a factor of his godly might or anything; it's just "no, he didn't die, he just nearly did".

He did die. Gaia just gave him a way out of the underworld.

How so? GST is unbelievably fast. Kratos has a big sword. You've gotta be able to actually touch pit before killing him. Constantly blathering "LOL SHOVE WINGS UP PITS ASS LOL" doesn't make it true.

Neither does your claim "LOL HADES IN KI IS STRONGER THAN HADES IN GOW LOLOLOLOL!" Kratos has lots of long range weapons and magic. It's not as if he HAS to be right next to somebody to attack them.

Up to this point, the only argument that's been put forward in Kratos' favour has been "KRATOS HAS KILLED GODS

Uh.... no. There's been several arguments made for Kratos' favor. You just simply don't argue against them, and burn straw man after straw man.

Kratos kills gods with ingenuity rather than brute force, but that's the case with literally every game with a giant boss fight, from the Prince Of Persia games' big bosses like the Dahaka, the big cleaver guy and the big bird to the Legend Of Zelda's classic "hit weak spot, kill big guy" battles

Nope. Not even close.
#83NeemohPosted 10/13/2012 5:58:53 PM
Obviously none of you have played God Of War 2 or 3. I'm a Nintendo fan for life, but get over yourselves. Kratos would massacre everyone, jump down into hell, and kill them again. He's ridiculously brutal,combine that with his strength and weaponry+magic and you have the perfect killing machine. And if somehow he gets "killed" he'll just climb out of hell like he usually does. Peace out guys.
#84L0L_FAQPosted 10/14/2012 1:36:31 AM
From: sonic777 | #082
He did die. Gaia just gave him a way out of the underworld.


No, he didn't die, he almost did.

Neither does your claim "LOL HADES IN KI IS STRONGER THAN HADES IN GOW LOLOLOLOL!" Kratos has lots of long range weapons and magic. It's not as if he HAS to be right next to somebody to attack them.


Wrong, my claim is that Pit has something terrifically fast and operates at much longer ranges than Kratos. His bows, his magic, the blasts of the Blade Of Olympus, none of those are fast or far reaching enough to catch pit, who simply has more tech on his side; we haven't seen Kratos take a bullet yet. He DOES take several swords to the everything and CAN lose in the main game, showing he's not invincible; no amount of swordplay will block a hail of bullets from a gatling gun. Your assertion that "He'd shove his wings up his ass! LOL!" seems to be based on Kratos actually catching Pit. I'm saying that that wouldn't happen because Pit's wearing a piece of armour that's too fast and has bigger, faster ways of killing Kratos than Kratos has of killing him.

Uh.... no. There's been several arguments made for Kratos' favor. You just simply don't argue against them, and burn straw man after straw man.


Like what? You don't even seem to understand what a straw man is; there's nothing Kratos can do that can catch up to the GST's power or speed.

Nope. Not even close.


How so? There's not a single battle against a god or a title where Kratos actually goes toe to toe with one; that would be stupid, the gods he fights actually have the brute strength to pick him n' flick him. Play any battle from GOW: where has Kratos EVER actually directly attacked a god, swords clashing? How would that even work? He's tiny compared to them.
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#85GloryChaosPosted 10/14/2012 7:58:15 AM
http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=847983&highlight=kratos

http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=865536&highlight=kratos

So the guys who argue this sort of stuff all the time seem to think Kratos loses pretty badly...

He even lost to Magnus.

http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=833667&highlight=kratos
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#86P_A_N_D_A_M_A_NPosted 10/14/2012 8:01:37 AM
GloryChaos posted...
http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=847983&highlight=kratos

http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=865536&highlight=kratos

So the guys who argue this sort of stuff all the time seem to think Kratos loses pretty badly...

He even lost to Magnus.

http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=833667&highlight=kratos


Magnus is pretty badass. Dude is a human with no special powers and he fights wars and demons without getting scathed. Kratos has to rely on power he takes from gods.
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#87GloryChaosPosted 10/14/2012 8:15:11 AM
Yeah, that's true. Gotta wonder how a guy like that was doing fine when the humans were being targeted by Palutena's forces, the underworld enemies, AND the forces of nature.
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#88P_A_N_D_A_M_A_NPosted 10/14/2012 8:58:22 AM
I just remembered another feat if Pit's. He defeated himself in Magnus's body. He fought a soulless powerful version of himself in a normal human's body and won. That'd be like Kratos pre-GOW fighting and beating GOW3 Kratos. He also destroyed an Alien fleet near-single handedly and defeated his own GST with no help after fighting several trials created by Dyntos.
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#89L0L_FAQPosted 10/14/2012 10:06:16 AM
Pit is borderline broken with the GST. Anyone who sreiously proposes that Kratos would win is joking; maybe if they took away his GST, it would be a match, but Pit would still have a bigger, more powerful arsenal of bigger, faster and more powerful weapons, plus his ability to fly.
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#90roxas9001Posted 10/14/2012 12:08:31 PM
GloryChaos posted...
Super Sonic being invincible is a no limits fallacy. Game mechanics don't really equate to facts in battles like these or else Megaman would lose to every character who puts down a bed of spikes.


Try reading the comics before saying something stupid.

Neemoh posted...
Obviously none of you have played God Of War 2 or 3. I'm a Nintendo fan for life, but get over yourselves. Kratos would massacre everyone, jump down into hell, and kill them again. He's ridiculously brutal,combine that with his strength and weaponry+magic and you have the perfect killing machine. And if somehow he gets "killed" he'll just climb out of hell like he usually does. Peace out guys.


Have you played GoW1-3? he needs help to escape Hades.

L0L_FAQ posted...
Up to this point, the only argument that's been put forward in Kratos' favour has been "KRATOS HAS KILLED GODS. KRATOS HAS KILLED GODS. KRATOS HAS KILLED GODS."


Its funny because the so called "gods" in GoW don't compare to Gods from SMT, Zelda, Final Fantasy, and other titles.
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