Why do people constantly brag that their PCs are more pwerful than WiiU/PS3/720?

#161JKatarnPosted 11/8/2012 7:48:41 PM
DesperateMonkey posted...
shampoowarrior posted...
Well, if you took the time investment to read a little more carefully, you would probably notice posts like those usually come out after someone tries to bash X console and brag about how much more powerful Y console is.

The point they're making is PC > All, power-wise. If people want to brag about their favorite console, power is a poor weapon choice.


Dumb logic like this is why the TC made this topic. PC's are not > all because PC is not > for cost. Not only is not much worse for cost in terms of performance, what you get is a lot messier than consoles. You cannot put a disc in and play most games. You cannot share, sell or rent games. The local multi support of PCs is an absolute joke.

Much more annoying is hunting for the parts and then building it yourself just to save money and still have it be much less cost effect.

Another issue would be the huge size of a PC compared to consoles.

Oh lets not forget all the issues PCs come into with DRMs and compatability issues. I've had two games this generation that I can't even play because of DRM and one other game that barely plays.


To be fair, very few console games this generation support local split-screen multiplayer anymore, they are mostly limited to online-only multiplayer.

Also, you absolutely can built a decent gaming PC that will blow the consoles away for ~$650-750 (this of course does not include a monitor + peripherals), and as a bonus you can do many many other things on it besides gaming as well. True, there is a bit of a learning curve to building a PC but as long as you're reasonably careful assembly is simple and straightforward.

I personally have had very few compatibility problems, and I play a wide range of games from classics to modern titles...as long as you go to the vendor sites and install the latest drivers for your graphics card (which is a straightforward process) it's fairly simple to avoid compatibility problems.
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#162JKatarnPosted 11/8/2012 7:53:52 PM
DarkZV2Beta posted...
Most PC DRM is no worse than console DRM. You can play a PC game on any PC that can play it. Wanna play Terraria on a PC from 2000? Okay. Wanna play Terraria on Xbox, from 2001? Nope. PS2? Nope. Wii? Nope. Gamecube? Nope. No dice.
Plus, more and more developers are giving up on DRM on the PC. Instead, it's shifting to where publishers have the most influence; consoles.
Enjoy your always-online DRM next gen!


Yes, but that is also one of the strengths of the consoles - a known, static set of specs that all developers working on that platform can optimize for. The downside of this is of course the fact that the code is tuned to that particular platform and so won't work particularly well (or at all) on a different platform (unless they integrate the original circuitry, or the new console uses a CPU/.GPU etc. with a very similar instruction set to the original console).
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#163JKatarnPosted 11/8/2012 7:58:30 PM
DarkZV2Beta posted...
Terotrous posted...
DarkZV2Beta posted...
Never had a single problem with DRM being too old for my PC. Never had a problem with a PC being too old for a particular DRM, either. PCs have uniform standards that aren't tossed out on a whim.

Uh, you're joking, right? PCs are the least standardized things ever. There are all kinds of issues with security programs not working with certain types of DVD drives, programs not working on certain operating systems, or games having compatibility issues with certain graphics cards and drivers and so on. One of the main advantages of consoles is that the hardware is totally uniform, so not only do these issues not exist, the hardware manufacturers can build the games to take full advantage of the exact hardware they know you'll have whereas on PCs they have to accommodate a huge range of possible hardware configurations.


Also, console DRM isn't just PSN/XBL/Wiiware. There's layers of DRM on top of that these days, and it's only getting worse. Pretty soon, you're going to have online-only retail console games. After that? You'll need to get a game scanned and licensed when you buy it in the store, or it won't work.

I doubt this will ever become commonplace, at this point retail has no advantage over digital distribution and still costs publishers more so they'll just go to digital distribution instead. Also, Nintendo would never do something like this, so if Sony or Microsoft tried to abuse their customers to this extent they'd just lose all their business.


Never had anything not work because of a DVD drive, ever. Never even heard something so ridiculous outside of DVD movie DRM for actual DVD players.
x86 is the only widespread consumer uniform hardware standard in the entire industry. The only thing that comes close so far is ARM. On the other hand, every console has it's own uniform standard with a single, fixed hardware set. So if something's broken on a console?(which is quite common) You're ****ed! The only exception to that so far is Xbox, in which certain parts can be replaced, largely because *shock* it uses a x86 CPU and all of it's components are based on PC parts.

As for the DRM, people always say that about everything until it becomes the standard. People always say this or that company would never do something until they do.


I'll agree that for the most part PC gaming is completely manageable, but you're rising to a new height of Pro-PC zealotry if you can claim with a straight face that DVD drives have never conflicted with DRM software - I've seen it happen a few odd times, and I've also seen more than a few games recommending disabling hardware virtualization software such as Daemon Tools before launching the game due to their DRM. You have to take the bad with the good, you can't pretend your preferred platform is pristine, because as much as I love PC gaming, there are a few rough spots here and there.
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#164dennis941012Posted 11/8/2012 8:01:26 PM
JKatarn posted...
DarkZV2Beta posted...
Terotrous posted...
DTY3 posted...
Stop downloading porn.

Lol, the infected site was a game forum. Stop turning a blind eye to PC security issues.


DarkZV2Beta posted...
Besides, a weak PC can still play games better than a console.

No it can't, a PC strong enough to run games as well as a console will always cost more than a console. But what you can do is run any games that don't use the full power of a console (like indie games), as well as any older games.


No, actually, I listed out parts for a $250 PC that would outperform consoles a while back. No cheap power supply or thermal problems either.
Even a weak PC will outpace consoles.


I'd like to see that build....either you're assuming the builder will be cannibalizing a few parts from their current or a previous build or you're cutting major corners to meet that price point. For the record, a decent gaming PC is quite affordable, but I seriously doubt you're getting >console gaming power for $250. The BS is really flying around in here.


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#165darkjedilinkPosted 11/8/2012 8:06:12 PM
blankempathy posted...
gikos posted...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tfL8QhwC2I
this is why XD
but really PC'S will always be better than any console. unless we get another Dreamcast
still i love my PS2/GC/Wii/DS/3DS


Even if they are it doesnt even matter. It always comes down to the games. Thats why I'm getting my Wii u at launch.


I've never seen any PC gamer say that consoles are a bad investment. However, the argument about the power difference between PC's and consoles is valid when some fanboy claims their system is better than another system solely on the basis of power or games, because the PC beats consoles on both fronts - a very vast majority of the AAA console games are available on PC (in better quality at a lower cost, to boot), PC has plenty of great exclusives as well, and no console will ever beat even a midgrade PC, which can usually be built from the ground up for about $500. If you have a pre-built name-brand PC from a box store, mild upgrading for around $250 will destroy a console.
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#166ShadowSkill11Posted 11/8/2012 8:09:38 PM
NoNeedF0RaName posted...
Every time there is a topic that discusses the power of the upcoming generation of home consoles, there is always a few people who come in and brag that their PC is more powerful than all of them. Look, I don't care if your PC is powerful enough to run an entire country, you will never be able to play Mario, Metroid, Zelda, Kirby, God of War, Ratchet and Clank, Little Big Planet, etc on said PC. So if you care about these franchises at all, you will still have to invest in home consoles. If you dont care about them, then why are you on this board? Obviously I didn't include Microsoft exclusives because those always end up on PC.


Ummm... What? I can play all of those except for little big planet on my PC. Your ignorance is astounding.
#167JKatarnPosted 11/8/2012 8:10:17 PM
dennis941012 posted...
DarkZV2Beta posted...
Terotrous posted...
DTY3 posted...
Stop downloading porn.

Lol, the infected site was a game forum. Stop turning a blind eye to PC security issues.


DarkZV2Beta posted...
Besides, a weak PC can still play games better than a console.

No it can't, a PC strong enough to run games as well as a console will always cost more than a console. But what you can do is run any games that don't use the full power of a console (like indie games), as well as any older games.


No, actually, I listed out parts for a $250 PC that would outperform consoles a while back. No cheap power supply or thermal problems either.
Even a weak PC will outpace consoles.


I'd like to see that build....either you're assuming the builder will be cannibalizing a few parts from their current or a previous build or you're cutting major corners to meet that price point. For the record, a decent gaming PC is quite affordable, but I seriously doubt you're getting >console gaming power for $250. The BS is really flying around in here.




Processor AMD Athlon 3400+ (2.2 GHz) $40*
Motherboard Asus A8V-VM SE Micro ATX
RAM Crucial (1GB, DDR400)
Hard Drive Hitachi Deskstar (80GB, OEM)
Optical Drive Philips SPD2850BM/17 DVD-ROM/CD-RW (OEM) $21.99*
CPU Cooler Cooler Master DK8-8ID2A $4.99*
Case Foxconn TLM624-CN300C-01 MicroATX minitower $39.50*


Um...no, not cutting it - for one thing the Athon 64 X2 is woefully outdated (and it's only 2.2 ghz), for another both of the major consoles have 3.2 Ghz PowerPC architecture processors with 3+ cores and multiple threads.

Also, you're not playing console ports on a machine with 1GB of RAM, that's the absolute bare minimum for just running Vista/7 (though it would do ok for XP, you're still not going to be doing much gaming with 1GB though - PCs have much more RAM overhead than consoles)

80GB drive is pretty small, and I don't see a GPU in there (unless there's some variant of the Athlon X2 with integrated graphics...oh I see, you meant the AMD trinity CPU/APU, that's not an Athlon...it's a newer line, and while the APU on it is decent, the rest of the system isn't cutting it)

Yeah...that's a barebones facebook machine you've assembled there - with less than 2GB of RAM you won't have much luck with even that.
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#168AkaneJonesPosted 11/8/2012 8:32:04 PM
Wow, this topic got big fast...
I'm not read that!

So if it hasn't been stated already or people just want to hop strait to the end over the whole thing and get a simple answer here.

THIS IS WHY
People bring up a PC is more powerful every time, not to brag, but to say look at current PC titles going for release next year. They are explicitly stating that for every fanboy who thinks PS4/Xbox720 will out class WiiU on every area, just like PS360 did to the Wii, are dead wrong. Games on PS4/Xbox720 can only look as good at they current PC games period. Considering that the useful difference is currently negligible between WiiU & PC, and PS360 and PC for the non-technofile, there will be no massive graphical leap. Any leap that occurs will result from things that have nothing to do with system power, see Watch Dogs.
#169DarkZV2BetaPosted 11/8/2012 9:56:36 PM(edited)
JKatarn posted...
I'd like to see that build....either you're assuming the builder will be cannibalizing a few parts from their current or a previous build or you're cutting major corners to meet that price point. For the record, a decent gaming PC is quite affordable, but I seriously doubt you're getting >console gaming power for $250. The BS is really flying around in here.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811192289
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371003
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820576002
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1102165

Throw in either a large HDD or small SSD, and you're set.

Also, again, I have never, ever, ever, in my entire life, actually had a DVD DRM conflict on any computer, ever. I've seen some pretty silly DRM on various games I wouldn't touch if you paid me to, but nothing like that.

AkaneJones posted...
Wow, this topic got big fast...
I'm not read that!

So if it hasn't been stated already or people just want to hop strait to the end over the whole thing and get a simple answer here.

THIS IS WHY
People bring up a PC is more powerful every time, not to brag, but to say look at current PC titles going for release next year. They are explicitly stating that for every fanboy who thinks PS4/Xbox720 will out class WiiU on every area, just like PS360 did to the Wii, are dead wrong. Games on PS4/Xbox720 can only look as good at they current PC games period. Considering that the useful difference is currently negligible between WiiU & PC, and PS360 and PC for the non-technofile, there will be no massive graphical leap. Any leap that occurs will result from things that have nothing to do with system power, see Watch Dogs.


Actually, the difference is pretty damn massive. If you enjoy fuzzy, jagged <30fps then hey, that's fine. I liked N64, too. but, the difference is about the same as going from PSX/N64 to PS2/GC.
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#170ColorfulColorsPosted 11/8/2012 9:59:42 PM
PC=Personal Computer

They make it as powerful as they can.

But in reality, i don't count the PC a console. Why?

PCs were made to make documents, surf the web, do research, the "gaming" part of it was just a neat feature. I know there are "Gaming" PCs out there, but really, a computer is just a computer.
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