Why do people constantly brag that their PCs are more pwerful than WiiU/PS3/720?

#201_Candice_Posted 11/9/2012 7:59:51 PM
Computers are mostly a personal tool. Theres not much a point to include splitscreen when theres mostly one player using the computer. At a lan everyone has their own rig.

I built my first computer in 2009 and I managed to get a computer that can run Crysis on high at 60FPS and with light AA. It cost $350 and i was running an Athlon with 2GB ram and a 4670. At the time a PS3 or a 360 would have cost more while doing LESS. On top of that I can properly browse the net, post here, do schoolwork, etc.etc.

Also if you think a base computer with no peripherals is a con, go ahead and tack on the cost of a TV and Speakers to go with your console. Im waiting.

The Wii can do 1080p according to Nintendo but its release titles will mostly be 720p with undisclosed FPS caps or AA sampling. Its still got a LONG time to play catch-up with any budget box PC.

http://wiiudaily.com/2012/06/wii-u-games-run-in-720p/
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Mass-Effect-3-Run-720p-Wii-U-46431.html

Im still not gonna knock the WiiU because the tablet experience on the WiiU will be something you can only experience on a console.

Consoles strengths arent in power, theyre in convenience or intuitive features like the Tablet.
#202YamiYugi4400Posted 11/9/2012 8:03:56 PM
godplaysSNES posted...
YamiYugi4400 posted...
DarkZV2Beta posted...
JKatarn posted...
I'd like to see that build....either you're assuming the builder will be cannibalizing a few parts from their current or a previous build or you're cutting major corners to meet that price point. For the record, a decent gaming PC is quite affordable, but I seriously doubt you're getting >console gaming power for $250. The BS is really flying around in here.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811192289
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371003
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820576002
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1102165

Throw in either a large HDD or small SSD, and you're set.

Also, again, I have never, ever, ever, in my entire life, actually had a DVD DRM conflict on any computer, ever. I've seen some pretty silly DRM on various games I wouldn't touch if you paid me to, but nothing like that.

AkaneJones posted...
Wow, this topic got big fast...
I'm not read that!

So if it hasn't been stated already or people just want to hop strait to the end over the whole thing and get a simple answer here.

THIS IS WHY
People bring up a PC is more powerful every time, not to brag, but to say look at current PC titles going for release next year. They are explicitly stating that for every fanboy who thinks PS4/Xbox720 will out class WiiU on every area, just like PS360 did to the Wii, are dead wrong. Games on PS4/Xbox720 can only look as good at they current PC games period. Considering that the useful difference is currently negligible between WiiU & PC, and PS360 and PC for the non-technofile, there will be no massive graphical leap. Any leap that occurs will result from things that have nothing to do with system power, see Watch Dogs.


Actually, the difference is pretty damn massive. If you enjoy fuzzy, jagged <30fps then hey, that's fine. I liked N64, too. but, the difference is about the same as going from PSX/N64 to PS2/GC.


You forgot the motherboard >.>


He did not, the motherboard is included in the combo deal...Together with the CPU


Wow, its only 100 bucks, thats a really good deal O_O
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#203lionheart5656Posted 11/9/2012 9:33:25 PM
From: _Candice_ | #201
Computers are mostly a personal tool. Theres not much a point to include splitscreen when theres mostly one player using the computer. At a lan everyone has their own rig.

I built my first computer in 2009 and I managed to get a computer that can run Crysis on high at 60FPS and with light AA. It cost $350 and i was running an Athlon with 2GB ram and a 4670. At the time a PS3 or a 360 would have cost more while doing LESS. On top of that I can properly browse the net, post here, do schoolwork, etc.etc.

Also if you think a base computer with no peripherals is a con, go ahead and tack on the cost of a TV and Speakers to go with your console. Im waiting.

The Wii can do 1080p according to Nintendo but its release titles will mostly be 720p with undisclosed FPS caps or AA sampling. Its still got a LONG time to play catch-up with any budget box PC.

http://wiiudaily.com/2012/06/wii-u-games-run-in-720p/
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Mass-Effect-3-Run-720p-Wii-U-46431.html

Im still not gonna knock the WiiU because the tablet experience on the WiiU will be something you can only experience on a console.

Consoles strengths arent in power, theyre in convenience or intuitive features like the Tablet.


Not true. If Nintendo was so inclined, they could easily make that work with a computer.

The wiimote works with the computer and people thought that would never happen at the time.

A computer can handle any and all peripherals.
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#204GoombaXPosted 11/9/2012 9:34:10 PM
its a fat guy thing
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#205JKatarnPosted 11/9/2012 10:03:21 PM
_Candice_ posted...
Computers are mostly a personal tool. Theres not much a point to include splitscreen when theres mostly one player using the computer. At a lan everyone has their own rig.

I built my first computer in 2009 and I managed to get a computer that can run Crysis on high at 60FPS and with light AA. It cost $350 and i was running an Athlon with 2GB ram and a 4670. At the time a PS3 or a 360 would have cost more while doing LESS. On top of that I can properly browse the net, post here, do schoolwork, etc.etc.

Also if you think a base computer with no peripherals is a con, go ahead and tack on the cost of a TV and Speakers to go with your console. Im waiting.

The Wii can do 1080p according to Nintendo but its release titles will mostly be 720p with undisclosed FPS caps or AA sampling. Its still got a LONG time to play catch-up with any budget box PC.

http://wiiudaily.com/2012/06/wii-u-games-run-in-720p/
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Mass-Effect-3-Run-720p-Wii-U-46431.html

Im still not gonna knock the WiiU because the tablet experience on the WiiU will be something you can only experience on a console.

Consoles strengths arent in power, theyre in convenience or intuitive features like the Tablet.


OK, you have no idea what you are talking about - I couldn't run Crysis on high on my 8800GTX at 60FPS with a core 2 quad, so there is no way in heck that you were getting that framerate on a 4670 with an Athlon processor, unless perhaps you're playing at 320x240 resolution. Pulling framerates/prices out of your a** doesn't really help your case.
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#206DesperateMonkeyPosted 11/10/2012 1:27:54 AM(edited)
_Candice_ posted...
Computers are mostly a personal tool. Theres not much a point to include splitscreen when theres mostly one player using the computer. At a lan everyone has their own rig.

I built my first computer in 2009 and I managed to get a computer that can run Crysis on high at 60FPS and with light AA. It cost $350 and i was running an Athlon with 2GB ram and a 4670. At the time a PS3 or a 360 would have cost more while doing LESS. On top of that I can properly browse the net, post here, do schoolwork, etc.etc.

Also if you think a base computer with no peripherals is a con, go ahead and tack on the cost of a TV and Speakers to go with your console. Im waiting.

The Wii can do 1080p according to Nintendo but its release titles will mostly be 720p with undisclosed FPS caps or AA sampling. Its still got a LONG time to play catch-up with any budget box PC.

http://wiiudaily.com/2012/06/wii-u-games-run-in-720p/
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Mass-Effect-3-Run-720p-Wii-U-46431.html

Im still not gonna knock the WiiU because the tablet experience on the WiiU will be something you can only experience on a console.

Consoles strengths arent in power, theyre in convenience or intuitive features like the Tablet.


Wow. Someone please give this kid a helmet. You really shouldn't lie as the basis of your argument.

The rest of your arguments are a joke. Local co-op is unnecessary because PCs are meant to be used ALONE? No, PCs are used alone because it does not facilitate multi user experiences, genius.

Secondly, why do I include the cost of peripherals? Because those peripherals COME WITH THE CONSOLE. Your argument about TVs and speakers is idiotic no matter how you look at it because both consoles and PCs these days use the SAME THINGS. I have 3 HDTVs and not one of them can't be used for consoles and PCs. The only monitors I've had were 3D monitors and thats because 3DTVs don't support PC gaming very well. Otherwise, I really have no use for monitors anymore.

Btw, even my laptop, G74SX A1, is way better than your POS PC and it definitely cannot run Crysis on high with 60 frames. That GPU is complete trash. An Xbox 360 pro in 2009, cost $250 and that was including a wireless controller and wireless support out of the box. Wtf would I want your POS PC over an xbox? Eats up more power, more room, is probably as ugly as **** considering your budget and gets me a little bit more power for a lot more money and a lot more work.


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#20719darkdenizen92Posted 11/10/2012 1:43:24 AM
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#208DarkZV2BetaPosted 11/10/2012 3:03:56 AM
DesperateMonkey posted...
@JKatarn

1. Who said the majority of games have split screen? The fact is, it is a huge advantage for consoles that many games do have split screen. This is an idiotic argument.

2. Of course a $600 PC with no peripherals is going to beat a console that goes on sale during holidays at $130 while still including a CONTROLLER. This has to be a bad joke.

3. Why are you saying the consoles have a slight price advantage? There is nothing close about you spending 6x the money.

4. You can't even beat the Wii U for cost and now you are making up BS about how your $600 PC will beat the next consoles and assuming those consoles will be $600? Not to mention, it doesn't come with controllers, wireless support and wifi...

Please just stop. I don't even understand why you continue this argument. You are saying a $650 PC is going to still perform worse than a $600 console, even slightly. So why then why do stupid PC gamers ask why people care about how powerful consoles are? Clearly they should care if its a much better value than PC gaming. Not only does it have a price advantage for cost, its usually way more attractive, way smaller, much simpler and comes with a bunch of extras.

I have no idea why you talk about doing other functions. If someone needs a powerful computer for something else, then why not just PC game. If someone doesn't need a powrful computer, chances are they already have plenty of computers or laptops from the past and the last thing you want to do is bog down your gaming PC more with your pron viruses.


Hold on a bit...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127611
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371003
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1017102
And comes with a spare PSU.
Hell, you could probably even get away with using the included garbage PSU. It's probably not any worse than what they use to power a console.

There are actually a lot of options to compete with the Wii U in performance in the PC market. It's barely a step up off AMD APUs, so most low end Intel+DGPU builds will compete. I actually had a $~200 build with a G620 and no HDD, too. Decided to go for the HDD included+spare PSU because lol why not.
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#209DarkZV2BetaPosted 11/10/2012 3:07:18 AM
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#210STE573Posted 11/10/2012 3:50:11 AM
I almost sunk 1800 into a rig earlier this year... I decided not to after playing a friends rig, I just don't want my leisure time to be spent around a PC when I work with them all week. For me, consoles curbstomp PCs just because I can have fun and detach from work.

Also I don't know why this is worth mentioning, but I have used a 45,000 PC... And it can't even run most modern games, it does have 90GB of RAM though, which I know means nothing.
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