Wii U teardown, GPU part of the RV7xx series

#41P_A_N_D_A_M_A_NPosted 11/19/2012 8:54:41 AM
ElectricMole posted...
PENDRAG0ON posted...


Nintendo has enough cash in the bank to buy 90% of Sony's stock ond still have money left over for daily operations. But due to Sony's crushing debt it would be a very stupid move.


If they want to keep the company afloat, they really have no other option but to release a new product soon. So, they'll be around for at least one more generation, but they cant take another loss next gen like they did this generation.


I think trimming certain divisions and improving the Vita's situation would go miles. They need to focus on making what they've lost before spending what they don't have.

I see this as a safe route, though going double or nothing could work if Sony is very cautious and plans carefully what they do next gen.
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#42PendragoonPosted 11/19/2012 8:58:39 AM
ElectricMole posted...
PENDRAG0ON posted...


Nintendo has enough cash in the bank to buy 90% of Sony's stock ond still have money left over for daily operations. But due to Sony's crushing debt it would be a very stupid move.


If they want to keep the company afloat, they really have no other option but to release a new product soon. So, they'll be around for at least one more generation, but they cant take another loss next gen like they did this generation.


Exactly, the PS4 will happen, but it will be sold for a profit in all regions. (meaning, no drastic increase in power)

Maybe next gen we will see consoles with a 680 and i7 equivalent, but not this gen.
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#43Enigma149Posted 11/19/2012 9:03:56 AM
PENDRAG0ON posted...
Megagunstarman posted...
Assuming he's right, let's compare it to the 720 and PS4 GPUs.

Look at the benchmarks.

6670 (xbox 720): http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+HD+6670&id=96

Benchmark score: 1038

A10 + 6670 (PS4): http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+HD+7660D+%2B+6670+Dual&id=2249

Benchmark score: 1133

4770 (Wii U): http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+HD+4770

Benchmark score: 1194


And based on that report, it is a bigger chip than the 4770, so is it even more powerful?

Hopefully we have the full answer sheet by the end of the week.


Unfortunately, benchmark scores also take into account the price of the GPUs. If you want a real comparison, you have to look at their individual specs:

Xenos (Xbox 360)
Core Clock: 500 MHz
Memory Clock: 500 MHz (1.6 MHz)
GFLOPS: 240

Radeon HD 4770 (Wii U)
Core Clock: 750 MHz (1.5x Xbox 360)
Memory Clock: 800 MHz
GFLOPS: 960 (4x Xbox 360)

Radeon HD 6770 (Xbox 720 Rumor #1) (Yes, the 6670 is an outdated rumor)
Core Clock: 850 MHz (1.133x Wii U)
Memory Clock: 1200 MHz (1.5x Wii U)
GFLOPS: 1,360 (1.416x Wii U)

GeForce GT 660 (Xbox 720 Rumor #2)
Core Clock: 980 MHz (1.306x Wii U)
Memory Clock: 6,000 MHz (7.5x Wii U)
GFLOPS: 1,881 (1.96x Wii U)

As you can see, if either of these XBox 720 rumors is correct, the Wii U is actually closer to the XBox 720 than it is to the Xbox 360...unless you look at memory clock rate. I'm not entirely sure whether or not that last value is accurate, but if it is...
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#44Iceman83Posted 11/19/2012 9:30:13 AM
Enigma149 posted...
PENDRAG0ON posted...
Megagunstarman posted...
Assuming he's right, let's compare it to the 720 and PS4 GPUs.

Look at the benchmarks.

6670 (xbox 720): http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+HD+6670&id=96

Benchmark score: 1038

A10 + 6670 (PS4): http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+HD+7660D+%2B+6670+Dual&id=2249

Benchmark score: 1133

4770 (Wii U): http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+HD+4770

Benchmark score: 1194


And based on that report, it is a bigger chip than the 4770, so is it even more powerful?

Hopefully we have the full answer sheet by the end of the week.


Unfortunately, benchmark scores also take into account the price of the GPUs. If you want a real comparison, you have to look at their individual specs:

Xenos (Xbox 360)
Core Clock: 500 MHz
Memory Clock: 500 MHz (1.6 MHz)
GFLOPS: 240

Radeon HD 4770 (Wii U)
Core Clock: 750 MHz (1.5x Xbox 360)
Memory Clock: 800 MHz
GFLOPS: 960 (4x Xbox 360)

Radeon HD 6770 (Xbox 720 Rumor #1) (Yes, the 6670 is an outdated rumor)
Core Clock: 850 MHz (1.133x Wii U)
Memory Clock: 1200 MHz (1.5x Wii U)
GFLOPS: 1,360 (1.416x Wii U)

GeForce GT 660 (Xbox 720 Rumor #2)
Core Clock: 980 MHz (1.306x Wii U)
Memory Clock: 6,000 MHz (7.5x Wii U)
GFLOPS: 1,881 (1.96x Wii U)

As you can see, if either of these XBox 720 rumors is correct, the Wii U is actually closer to the XBox 720 than it is to the Xbox 360...unless you look at memory clock rate. I'm not entirely sure whether or not that last value is accurate, but if it is...



Never heard the GeForce rumor. And your 360 memory clock is wrong. It's @ 700MHz.
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#45DarkZV2BetaPosted 11/19/2012 9:55:39 AM(edited)
It doesn't show the cleaned IHS. So, this is not in any way any sort of confirmation of anything.
Just so u no.

Also, pretty damn sure he counted the RAM wrong.

Actually, die size puts it closer to 4670/4650.
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#46P_A_N_D_A_M_A_NPosted 11/20/2012 8:26:11 AM
Bump?
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#47SolisPosted 11/20/2012 9:34:40 AM
That's pretty disappointing if it's anywhere near accurate. I was worried when they mentioned "heating concerns" back when they demoed the unit at E3 2011. Seems they had to downscale the GPU a bit to make up for the cooling limitations.

Combined with the system RAM bandwidth limitation, this probably puts the Wii U fairly close or slightly above the Xbox 360 in rendering performance. Somewhere around 8800gts performance would be my guess (a card that was mid-high end back when the Wii released).


P_A_N_D_A_M_A_N posted...
Trenken, you seriously need to study up on Sony's position. They are in no way safe right now. Hemorrhaging money left and right from all divisions. They are deeply in debt and owe more then they actually have. I implore you to educate yourself.

Actually that's incorrect: they have around $18 billion in cash reserves, and just under $16 billion in debt. Their total asset valuation has actually gone up over the last several years, and far exceeds their debt several times over.

However, that does not relate to their ability to develop and release a console with a certain level of technology in it.
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#48VGAddict90Posted 11/20/2012 9:42:36 AM
So, is the GPU more powerful than PS360, or not?
#49Emerald_MeliosPosted 11/20/2012 9:44:59 AM
Solis posted...
That's pretty disappointing if it's anywhere near accurate. I was worried when they mentioned "heating concerns" back when they demoed the unit at E3 2011. Seems they had to downscale the GPU a bit to make up for the cooling limitations.


That is a smart idea on their part, considering the RROD problem.....
#50meiyukiPosted 11/20/2012 9:54:52 AM
VGAddict90 posted...
So, is the GPU more powerful than PS360, or not?


Look at enigma's benchmarks, while no one is going to have final stats it's still likely fairly accurate within reasonable margins of error. It's clearly better than the 360, and it even shows how stupid all this is cause even in the best case scenario for the 720 it's not exactly leaps and bounds ahead of the wiiU. And it ignores the fact that fighting over a console's power is fighting over second place. Gee it's sure interesting how power is everything when it comes to the 720/ps4 vs the wiiU, but all the sudden when it comes to pc vs 720/ps4 now power doesn't matter.