MS and Sony are wise for letting Nintendo start this generation.

#41blankempathyPosted 11/25/2012 3:42:51 PM
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Times change? How about actually letting some real time pass before jumping to conclusions. Also everyone knows that Nintendo posted a loss because of their mediocre launch of the 3ds, which recently has become their fastest selling handheld ever. Meanwhile Sony has been struggling for a while and until more recent years has the ps3 really picked up steam. Throw in their struggling Vita launch and electronics division doing subpar and obviously its a way different story then Nintendo.


http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/11/19/new-nintendo-wii-u-launches-in-very-different-world/

"The Wii U is not expected to be the juggernaut that the Wii was in its heyday, according to research firm IHS iSuppli"

If they're taking a loss and the system does not do well, that means no software being sold to a profitable level which means a huge hit to their dome.


Analysts? really? Until the numbers actually drop we'll see what happens. Also everyone knows its going to be near impossible to imitate the Wiis success.


They get paid to do these types of things, I'm sure if they were wrong they wouldn't have a job.


Lol ok right because analysts are never completely wrong? Let me tell you about a guy named michael pachter.
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#42Enigma149Posted 11/25/2012 3:53:10 PM(edited)
Xeeh_Bitz posted...
blankempathy posted...
Xeeh_Bitz posted...
blankempathy posted...

Times change? How about actually letting some real time pass before jumping to conclusions. Also everyone knows that Nintendo posted a loss because of their mediocre launch of the 3ds, which recently has become their fastest selling handheld ever. Meanwhile Sony has been struggling for a while and until more recent years has the ps3 really picked up steam. Throw in their struggling Vita launch and electronics division doing subpar and obviously its a way different story then Nintendo.


http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/11/19/new-nintendo-wii-u-launches-in-very-different-world/

"The Wii U is not expected to be the juggernaut that the Wii was in its heyday, according to research firm IHS iSuppli"

If they're taking a loss and the system does not do well, that means no software being sold to a profitable level which means a huge hit to their dome.


Analysts? really? Until the numbers actually drop we'll see what happens. Also everyone knows its going to be near impossible to imitate the Wiis success.


They get paid to do these types of things, I'm sure if they were wrong they wouldn't have a job.


This is true. Of course, that doesn't mean they're always right. In fact, they're usually wrong:

-Analysts thought Nintendo wouldn't even make it in America. Radar Scope was a flop...why should Donkey Kong succeed when a space shooter, then the most popular genre, flopped?

-Analysts thought the NES was just another bad idea in a string of bad ideas. The video game business was dead. How could Nintendo hope to revive it? And that ROB thing looked pathetic, by the way.

-Analysts thought the Genesis would flop out of the gate in a NES-driven world. It went onto become Nintendo's first serious competition.

-Analysts predicted the SNES would sell horribly and that Nintendo would become "another Atari". Many people pointed out that they were "late" to the 16-bit era, releasing a system that was arguably weaker than the 2- to 3-year-old Genesis. In fact, the system sold well, and went onto become the longest-lived 16-bit system.

-Analysts predicted the Nintendo 64 to reach and surpass the PS1's sales numbers. Within a year, the PS1 had doubled in sales, while the Nintendo 64 had failed to capture the attention analysts thought it would.

-Analysts predicted the GameCube and Xbox would both manage to capture significant sales. Xbox sales floundered; GameCube sales did even worse.

-Analysts predicted the PSP would become the best-selling handheld of all time and completely crush the Nintendo DS. Heck, they predicted the GameBoy line would compete too much with the DS and force the DS to an early demise. PSP sales never reached expectations, and the DS joined the PS2 in the 150 million club.

-Analysts famously predicted the PS3 would sell 121 million units, the XBox 360 59 million, and the "Revolution" a pitiful 19 million. Likewise, many thought the "Revolution" would be Nintendo's last console. Well, the PS3 sold a little over half of that, the XBox 360 sold 10 million more, and the Wii wound up becoming the 3rd-best selling console in history.

-Still more analysts had the NGP / Vita demolishing the 3DS. This prediction seems...somewhat inaccurate.
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#43Shinobi120Posted 11/25/2012 4:04:41 PM
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#44neo380Posted 11/25/2012 3:52:53 PM
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Yeah Nintendo wiiu is"the innovation",next year will be directly send to Oblivion right away.Tha's what I call "innovation""fake innovation" to be more precise.


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#45Shinobi120Posted 11/25/2012 4:07:50 PM(edited)
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The company is not "junk" status as you say. The company's debt or bonds has been graded at a junk level by ratings agency. Thus, investing in their debt/bonds is seen as riskier and Sony will pay a higher interest rate to borrow money in the future.


If Sony does this, then that could mean even more trouble for them in the future (& I don't even think that it'll be wise for anyone to invest in Sony now). Sony doesn't exactly have a lot of free money to spend nowadays. They're already over $16 Billion in debt now.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=SNE+Key+Statistics


Agree it's not pretty; was just pointing out that the company itself and its debt rating are very different. And looking at their balance sheet, it's not quite as ugly as perceived. Current Assets are just shy of covering current liabilities. I'd be more concerned with the $63B in "Other Liabilities." Not sure what the heck is in there.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bs?s=SNE+Balance+Sheet&annual


Yeah, I would be concerned about their liabilities as well. Just going from this article below (even though it's from September, & that the figures are from June):

http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2012/09/08/the-ten-year-decline-of-sony/

While Sony may have the most assets compared to the other 3 companies from the above link that I just gave you (Audience: Yay!), they do however, have the most liabilities (Audience: *groans*). The kind of liabilities that Sony has would just about wipe nearly all of their assets clean if they were to take care of all of the liabilities now (even today given from the link that you just provided).

That's not very good for Sony at all.
#46l3igl3ossPosted 11/25/2012 4:57:58 PM
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#47AsellusPosted 11/25/2012 5:36:11 PM
If they're taking a loss and the system does not do well, that means no software being sold to a profitable level which means a huge hit to their dome.

Reportedly Nintendo makes a net profit if people buy just one game with their Wii U which suggests the system is pretty much being sold right at cost.
#48the1beingPosted 11/25/2012 5:48:27 PM
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MS and Sony got burned last gen by releasing their systems before Nintendo. Consumers flocked toward the Wii because motion controls differentiated it from the other two systems. The PS3 and 360 provided essentially identical gaming experiences, so consumers wanting HD gaming were halved between them. Only after seeing how much demand there was for motion controls, the other companies brought their own half-hearted version of it late in the game.

This time around, though, MS and Sony wisely waited to see how the WiiU turned out before they make their moves. This allows them an opportunity to see what people like about WiiU and expand upon it. It should be interesting to see what the ripoff artists come up with. I think this gen will turn out to be more competitive than last gen.



Start this generation ? You mean Nintendo waited an entire console cycle to finally join the last generation.
#49kdognumba1Posted 11/25/2012 5:52:30 PM(edited)
Yea, because launching last definitely means a sure victory. I mean, the DS vs PSP, 3DS vs Vita, and PS2 vs GC/Xbox never happened....

What position you launch your system in in comparison to the other systems ultimately mean very little.
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#50TheCyborgNinjaPosted 11/25/2012 5:55:10 PM
Wii was cheap and a novelty for casuals, who have since moved on to iPhone games. Now Nintendo can get back to business, and hopefully make that seal of quality valid again. The Wii never sold well because it was good, it sold well because it was a popular gimmick.
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