Nintendo ignoring the Spike's VGAs shows how out of touch they are with gamers

#191ClaudeLv250Posted 12/9/2012 5:57:17 AM
CKnight posted...
The fact your whole post is based around a hint, rumor, possibility, a maybe, ect makes it irrelevant.

And Nintendo is marketing to the same audience that failed to the Wii. They make Nintendo games tugging at the hardcore fanboy heart strings but then plaster televisions and the net with ads of little kids and parents playing Nintendo shovelware and dancing around with the controller.

The WiiU will probly sale well and like the Wii mainly Nintendo games will do good. And like the Wii it'll have a short life span and most likely die a year or 2 into the next gen.


The fact that you think my post was based around a hint means you didn't actually read it. My post is based around the fact that the VGAs are irrelevant, always have been, and that the Wii U technically had more presence than Microsoft and Sony's upcoming consoles. It's not a big industry event to anyone with a grip on reality. You go to E3 to make a splash in the industry. You go to the VGAs when you want to see someone get teabagged on stage or watch someone get Gabe Newell's name wrong. If the VGAs are the sole determining factor for the success of a console amongst self-professed "hardcore" gamers than Orbis and Durango are f*cked because anyone watching that show would have no idea those consoles were ever coming. If anything needed the publicity of the SpikeTV Gaming Gods, it was the Vita.

The fact that I can skip over to the Bayonetta 2 board and still witness a deluge of bitter tears over people being "tricked" into wanting a Wii U just for that one game means Nintendo is doing something right. I am even seeing port begging for Razor's Edge, and people hated Ninja Gaiden 3.

And theyre still failing with online. Nintendo is so dead set with taking a dump on gamers and pandering to house moms, grandparents and ten years olds. They cant be bothered to do a proper online interface or put a highschool effort into online mp.


And Microsoft treats its consumer base like toddlers by making them pay for services that aren't worth paying for, most of which took ages to get added in the first place. Not to mention Live is decrepit in the face of Steam. I'm not sure what this has to do with the VGAs.
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#192CKnightPosted 12/9/2012 7:22:18 AM
No one is saying the VGAs are the be all when it comes to gaming awards but it does put gaming on the forfront with casuals and pop culture by giving it a prime time award show similar to movies and music. The fact that some gamers turn their noses up to it is pathetic, its a fun show that celebrates a hobby we all enjoy. It would of been good if Nintendo did something to reach out to that crowd and maybe show off a new upcoming title. I came to work this morning and the first thing my co-worker said was did you see the Last of Us trailer. Now he's pumped for it.

And the toddler thing is rediculous, your really grasping. MS treats us like adults with jobs and disposable income by charging for live, a service I agree should be free.

Nintendo's whole presentation as a company and console is still aimed at kids and parents.
#193Sami1000Posted 12/9/2012 7:39:56 AM
CKnight posted...
No one is saying the VGAs are the be all when it comes to gaming awards but it does put gaming on the forfront with casuals and pop culture by giving it a prime time award show similar to movies and music. The fact that some gamers turn their noses up to it is pathetic, its a fun show that celebrates a hobby we all enjoy. It would of been good if Nintendo did something to reach out to that crowd and maybe show off a new upcoming title. I came to work this morning and the first thing my co-worker said was did you see the Last of Us trailer. Now he's pumped for it.

And the toddler thing is rediculous, your really grasping. MS treats us like adults with jobs and disposable income by charging for live, a service I agree should be free.

Nintendo's whole presentation as a company and console is still aimed at kids and parents.


Well said. I have nothing to add.
#194RHFPosted 12/9/2012 8:00:52 AM(edited)
CKnight posted...
its a fun show that celebrates a hobby we all enjoy.


Not really, of all the VGAs I've watched, all I ever see are the stereotypical BS that comes with it, like Celebrities that have no purpose presenting awards, or get an award for being the host, E.X. Neil Patrick Harris and VGAs 2010, who got an award for best male voice actor for Spider man, coincidence, I think not.

Music groups that have nothing to do with video games, even if they made ONE song in a game, like Linkin park and Medal of honor, which is the only reason I can think as to why they were performing at VGAs this year, good enough reason right?

Then of course tons and tons of terrible jokes and filler, and pointless awards, look at VGAs 2010 on wiki.

I don't care if Nintendo didn't get much in this year's VGAs, let's face it they didn't have too much to show anyway except Xenoblade, which should've been in the GOTY category over Walking dead (nothing against the game, but I can only assume it was in there because of how popular the show is) or Mass effect 3 (I doubt fans would care since they're probably still angry over the ending.

Why it didn't even win Best Wii/Wii U game is a mystery, but I guess people who watch would know who Mario is, easier then what Xenoblade is, even though Xenoblade is by far best game Nintendo got this year.

At least it got recognition more or less.

Anywho, VGAs are just an absolute joke that needs to die and revived to a real award show we can enjoy, get rid of celebrity endorsements for award presenters or host, hire actual people who work in the industry do it, like Ted Price, Cliffy B, John Romero, Reggie, etc....

Instead of bands that really have nothing to do with video games, hire an orchestra to play some of our favorite tunes from video games.

Sorry for that ranting, I just really find the VGAs more of an insult towards gamers then something that celebrates our favorite thing to do.
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#195ClaudeLv250Posted 12/9/2012 2:25:13 PM
CKnight posted...
No one is saying the VGAs are the be all when it comes to gaming awards but it does put gaming on the forfront with casuals and pop culture by giving it a prime time award show similar to movies and music. The fact that some gamers turn their noses up to it is pathetic, its a fun show that celebrates a hobby we all enjoy. It would of been good if Nintendo did something to reach out to that crowd and maybe show off a new upcoming title. I came to work this morning and the first thing my co-worker said was did you see the Last of Us trailer. Now he's pumped for it.


People will stop turning their nose up at the VGAs when the show stops being a pathetic debacle that treats gaming like a commodity that lets their own handpicked selection of irrelevant celebrities and skits shine instead. It's sad watching Geoff Keighley ask every year how to make the show better and watch all those suggestions fly out the window...though I admit this year was better than the last. It still has a long way to go to not be a mockery. You can enjoy the show if you want to, but don't get on some high horse because someone got turned off by a show "celebrating video games" that couldn't be assed to get Gabe Newell's name right.

And the toddler thing is rediculous, your really grasping. MS treats us like adults with jobs and disposable income by charging for live, a service I agree should be free.


MS treats its base like toddlers when it asks people to pay for things that the other consoles have had for years, because only toddlers would have lack of reasoning to fall for that. Then again, I own multiple consoles, so I have a choice in the matter. Someone with sworn loyalty to MS would have no choice but to pay for Netflix, then pay for Gold so they can watch Netflix on that box.

Nintendo's whole presentation as a company and console is still aimed at kids and parents.


Ironically, this is the exact direction Microsoft is going with. Outside of Halo 4 and Forza World, I have not seen them push a game that didn't involve jumping in front of Kinect. They put on shows like the Kinect premiere and they have hired "families" performing in a fake living room in front of a bunch of people. They know there's more to gaming than aiming squarely at white 14 year olds, but at least I don't have to worry about Nintendo plucking the families from their commercials and demonstration videos and wasting my time at E3 by having those people pretend to play prerecorded videos of their games.
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#196MrMegaPhoenixPosted 12/9/2012 9:15:50 PM
Amount of Television events that are specifically for the benefit of gamers: 2 (everything on G4 has ended now, right?)

How can anyone think that the E3 presentation (not even the whole event, just the conference) is the only time of the year Nintendo should advertise? I bet they advertise during children's cartoons on some channel, so why would anyone who isn't completely insane think that they shouldnt bring attention to their product when given one of the very very very few opportunities on TV?

Are people literally that dense that they can't realize the fact that the awards "mean nothing" or are of zero interest of you is irrelevant? Before the VGA's, Phantom Pain was that thing when you feel hurt for no real reason and it annoys you (or whatever), now places on the internet (especially amongst people who didnt even watch the show) are now discussing MGS5 specifically because of something that was shown during the VGA's.

Since some people are slow, i'll make it obvious for them. Konami has more attention on their product now because of the VGA's than they would have if they had shown nothing. If Nintendo did something similar, they would be in the same position. If you are that obsessed and in love with Nintendo, then that is exactly what you would want
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#197AceMosPosted 12/10/2012 5:57:20 AM
MrMegaPhoenix posted...
Amount of Television events that are specifically for the benefit of gamers: 2 (everything on G4 has ended now, right?)

How can anyone think that the E3 presentation (not even the whole event, just the conference) is the only time of the year Nintendo should advertise? I bet they advertise during children's cartoons on some channel, so why would anyone who isn't completely insane think that they shouldnt bring attention to their product when given one of the very very very few opportunities on TV?

Are people literally that dense that they can't realize the fact that the awards "mean nothing" or are of zero interest of you is irrelevant? Before the VGA's, Phantom Pain was that thing when you feel hurt for no real reason and it annoys you (or whatever), now places on the internet (especially amongst people who didnt even watch the show) are now discussing MGS5 specifically because of something that was shown during the VGA's.

Since some people are slow, i'll make it obvious for them. Konami has more attention on their product now because of the VGA's than they would have if they had shown nothing. If Nintendo did something similar, they would be in the same position. If you are that obsessed and in love with Nintendo, then that is exactly what you would want




you just dont get it

real gamers dont want to be asociated with this crap we want the media and none gamers to see we are just like regular ppl just our hobbie is video games
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#198MrMegaPhoenixPosted 12/10/2012 11:56:46 PM
From: AceMos | #197
you just dont get it

right.

Children that think "ermahgerd Nintendo is insane if they advertised a new game at the VGA's" are somehow full of intelligence and are absolutely right. Is that what you want to hear? You can pretend im saying that if it helps you sleep at night, but it is nowhere near the reality.

The reality is that Nintendo is a business that wants to make money and they do that by advertising. They don't do it by finding little children who cry on the internet and exclusively target them and only ever do what those kiddies want, because that is ****ing stupid and a company of Nintendo's size would be rightfully laughed at for doing that.

In the real world, a company is happy when their product is getting exposure (hopefully positive too) and guess what? Multiple companies achieved this specifically this happened because of something they advertised at the VGA's

Happened with MGS5:
http://www.google.com.au/trends/explore#q=%22metal%20gear%20solid%205%22&date=1%2F2012%2012m&cmpt=q

Dark Souls 2:
http://www.google.com.au/trends/explore#q=%22dark%20souls%202%22&date=1%2F2012%2012m&cmpt=q

Highest outside of E3 for Last of Us:
http://www.google.com.au/trends/explore#q=%22last%20of%20us%22&date=1%2F2012%2012m&cmpt=q

Ditto for Tomb Raider:
http://www.google.com.au/trends/explore#q=%22tomb%20raider%22&date=1%2F2012%2012m&cmpt=q


More people are now talking about their products and there is more (positive) brand awareness for those games. I don't care if you hate the VGA's or you think they are awesome or you don't care either way. The CLEAR AND UNDENIABLE FACT is that those games have a restored/new focus on them specifically because of the VGA's.

If you think Nintendo would have been "stupid" to advertise there even though you know (ignorance is no excuse) there would have been no negative for announcing something "good" there or a major trailer, etc....then how you can think that? Like how does your brain literally come to the conclusion that every bit of clear evidence and obvious logic can't be comprehended by you? o_O

I just can't accept its "Nintendo fanboys" as to why there is no common sense either. I mean even the one direction fangirls are intelligent enough to know that the band advertising on a Music Channel that they don't like is still a good thing for the band (which in turn is a good thing for them, because more fans = more money = more songs, albums, tours, etc).
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#199UltimaKeyMasterPosted 12/12/2012 8:11:00 AM
To elaborate on something I said earlier, I still stand by that Nintendo is by no means "out of touch" with gamers.

Should they have tried to advertise anyway? Pretty obvious answer there, as they are indeed a business. The funny thing is apparently the award winners weren't floods of Halo/CoD and such.

I mean, Walking Dead GOTY? Borderlands, Best Shooter? Persona 4 Arena for Best Fighter? At least for the awards, there's hope yet in this show.
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#200Rennik RepotsirPosted 12/12/2012 8:15:57 AM
Spike has viagra?
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