Nintendo confirms German law to blame for Europe-wide Wii U eShop 18+ content re

#111IcecreamdunwichPosted 12/10/2012 12:22:06 PM
From: darkjedilink | #107
Chocobo115 posted...
whilst very minor,
Another reason for me to not get a Wii U at the moment.


You won't buy the Wii U because Nintendo obeys the law? That's kind of stupid, imo...


He said "another reason", his first reason might because the Wii U version of Darksiders 2 doesn't match the PC version like you said it would...
#112SSJ UndertakerPosted 12/10/2012 12:45:04 PM(edited)
darkjedilink posted...
You won't buy the Wii U because Nintendo obeys the law? That's kind of stupid, imo...


German law is not European law. The entire issue is that Nintendo are citing "German law" as an excuse to block 18+ games across all of Europe.
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#113darkjedilinkPosted 12/10/2012 12:51:25 PM
SSJ Undertaker posted...
darkjedilink posted...
You won't buy the Wii U because Nintendo obeys the law? That's kind of stupid, imo...


German law is not European law. The entire issue is that Nintendo are citing "German law" as an excuse to block 18+ games across all of Europe.


Because they're IN GERMANY. They can't just ignore the law because it would affect a wider market.

Here's GM with your thought process - "Yeah, we're making these cars with five-year-old assemblers, but the cars are going to be sold in China as well as America, so we don't need to worry about America's child labor laws."
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#114HakuPosted 12/10/2012 1:02:35 PM(edited)
darkjedilink posted...
SSJ Undertaker posted...
darkjedilink posted...
You won't buy the Wii U because Nintendo obeys the law? That's kind of stupid, imo...


German law is not European law. The entire issue is that Nintendo are citing "German law" as an excuse to block 18+ games across all of Europe.


Because they're IN GERMANY. They can't just ignore the law because it would affect a wider market.


There are other ways to implement it though, that would not effect the rest of Europe. E-shop cards being 18+ would satisfy the law of blocking sales to minors (or so the Germans say), as you would need to be 18 to buy them and credit card purchases can be assumed you are 18.

Might be German law, but Nintendo made the choice to implement it in a way that effects all of Europe and get criticised for it and rightly so. They also must have known this would be an issue, yet still set up the e-shop in Europe. Move the servers, if that isn't enough, make another division, set up elsewhere and give them control of online operations.

If Nintendo have decided that this is best, as the others are too costly, then so be it, but they don't get to escape criticisim by just claiming German law, too bad for rest of Europe, while there are alternatives.
#115SSJ UndertakerPosted 12/10/2012 1:03:01 PM
darkjedilink posted...
Because they're IN GERMANY. They can't just ignore the law because it would affect a wider market.


And? German censorship laws should only apply to Germany.

Nintendo need to correct this terrible decision. Quickly.
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#116darkjedilinkPosted 12/10/2012 1:05:55 PM
SSJ Undertaker posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Because they're IN GERMANY. They can't just ignore the law because it would affect a wider market.


And? German censorship laws should only apply to Germany.

Nintendo need to correct this terrible decision. Quickly.


German censorship laws apply to every facet of every division that operates IN Germany. The only way around it would be to move the whole of NoE out of Germany.
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#117SSJ UndertakerPosted 12/10/2012 1:07:53 PM
darkjedilink posted...
German censorship laws apply to every facet of every division that operates IN Germany. The only way around it would be to move the whole of NoE out of Germany.


Germany =/= Europe.

Also, see Haku's post.
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#118darkjedilinkPosted 12/10/2012 1:08:17 PM
Haku posted...
darkjedilink posted...
SSJ Undertaker posted...
darkjedilink posted...
You won't buy the Wii U because Nintendo obeys the law? That's kind of stupid, imo...


German law is not European law. The entire issue is that Nintendo are citing "German law" as an excuse to block 18+ games across all of Europe.


Because they're IN GERMANY. They can't just ignore the law because it would affect a wider market.


There are other ways to implement it though, that would not effect the rest of Europe. E-shop cards being 18+ would satisfy the law of blocking sales to minors (or so the Germans say), as you would need to be 18 to buy them and credit card purchases can be assumed you are 18.

Might be German law, but Nintendo made the choice to implement it in a way that effects all of Europe and get criticised for it and rightly so. They also must have known this would be an issue, yet still set up the e-shop in Europe. Move the servers, if that isn't enough, make another division, set up elsewhere and give them control of online operations.

If Nintendo have decided that this is best, as the others are too costly, then so be it, but they don't get to escape criticisim by just claiming German law, too bad for rest of Europe, while there are alternatives.


Even if they got the eShop cards as 18+, they'd STILL have to watershed the titles for people who actually buy the games on the eShop. It doesn't solve the problem.

The only way they could would be to move the entirety of NoE out of Germany, which is - believe it or not - not worth the effort.
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#119meiyukiPosted 12/10/2012 1:10:58 PM
Haku posted...

There are other ways to implement it though, that would not effect the rest of Europe. E-shop cards being 18+ would satisfy the law of blocking sales to minors (or so the Germans say), as you would need to be 18 to buy them and credit card purchases can be assumed you are 18.


And nintendo probably thinks it's worse to have eshop cards be 18+. Considering the majority of the stuff on the eshop, and it will always be the majority, isn't 18+ content, requiring everyone to be 18 to buy eshop cards is a bit crazy. If it were me I'd pack up and leave germany giving the government there a big FU, but there are probably other reasons they're located in germany.
#120HakuPosted 12/10/2012 1:26:56 PM
darkjedilink posted...
Haku posted...


There are other ways to implement it though, that would not effect the rest of Europe. E-shop cards being 18+ would satisfy the law of blocking sales to minors (or so the Germans say), as you would need to be 18 to buy them and credit card purchases can be assumed you are 18.

Might be German law, but Nintendo made the choice to implement it in a way that effects all of Europe and get criticised for it and rightly so. They also must have known this would be an issue, yet still set up the e-shop in Europe. Move the servers, if that isn't enough, make another division, set up elsewhere and give them control of online operations.

If Nintendo have decided that this is best, as the others are too costly, then so be it, but they don't get to escape criticisim by just claiming German law, too bad for rest of Europe, while there are alternatives.


Even if they got the eShop cards as 18+, they'd STILL have to watershed the titles for people who actually buy the games on the eShop. It doesn't solve the problem.

The only way they could would be to move the entirety of NoE out of Germany, which is - believe it or not - not worth the effort.


I'm not German, so I'm just going on what I've read, but why would making the cards 18+ not solve it? That's how psn handles it and I've seen other Germans saying doing that would be fine, as minors would not be able to buy the game.

Also why the entirety of NoE? Why would moving the severs and setting up another division, with the parent company being Nintendo, not NoE, not solve it? NoE handles everything in Europe as they do now, except for Nintendo's online operation, which is handled in another country.


meiyuki posted...
Haku posted...

There are other ways to implement it though, that would not effect the rest of Europe. E-shop cards being 18+ would satisfy the law of blocking sales to minors (or so the Germans say), as you would need to be 18 to buy them and credit card purchases can be assumed you are 18.


And nintendo probably thinks it's worse to have eshop cards be 18+. Considering the majority of the stuff on the eshop, and it will always be the majority, isn't 18+ content, requiring everyone to be 18 to buy eshop cards is a bit crazy. If it were me I'd pack up and leave germany giving the government there a big FU, but there are probably other reasons they're located in germany.


Well other guy said it won't work anyway, but assuming it did, they are entitled to think that and not do it, but expect to be criticised for it.

End of the day the average consumer doesn't care why, all they will care for is everyone else (XBL/PSN/Steam) is able to offer all content and all times and Nintendo are not. This was supposed to be the console that shook off the kiddy image, brought back the quality 3rd party support, and now there are restriction on adult content that the competing consoles do not have.